Dragon WriterEpisode #320 - Horrible Misuse! Nice Job Breaking It, Wiki! Anyway, this trope is specifically the convention of (primarily) anime episode titles being formatted as "Sentence One! Longer sentence Two!" But it's picking up misuse for pretty much any title that ends in an exclamation point. So Blam! Let's Crunch Those Numbers!
Ambiguous! And Some Zero-Context Example, Too!
Mixed Cases! There's A Correct Example In Here Somewhere? But They're Othersise Missing The Whole Point!
Misused! These Examples Are Wrong On So Many Levels!
Truly Ambiguous! Could Swing Either Way!
Lists and indexes! Legally Obligated To Post These!
Last And (sorry) Least! Articles Using The Trope Correctly!
This is the complete A thru Z range. And the picture ain't pretty:
edited 22nd Mar '12 8:57:08 AM by Stratadrake
Punctuated! For! Emphasis! seem fine to me.
Dragon WriterBut that's not the current definition of the trope, so those examples are misuse, period. This trope isn't "Titles With Exclamation Points!", nor is it "Titles! That! Are! Punctuated! For! Emphasis!". It's a very specific title format, and that's largely how it's not getting used. So what do we do? Do we change the name, change the definition, both, or what? Misuse is misuse.
edited 21st Mar '12 10:15:13 AM by Stratadrake
Dragon WriterBut how tropable is "list of all titles using exclamation points" ?
edited 21st Mar '12 10:16:21 AM by Stratadrake
Punctuated! For! Emphasis!". I don't have an objection to including all titles with exclamation points, necessarily, but that would make it much larger.
Dragon WriterOkay, I see what you're getting at, but that barely puts a dent in the misuse ratio, since it is currently getting treated like a synonym for "any title ending with an exclamation point". The current name is broken. It does nothing to convey the requirement of being a multi-part title (current definition or yours alike).
edited 21st Mar '12 10:26:58 AM by Stratadrake
Square Peg Round Trope in anything that even remotely fits. We could custom-title it to Excited! Episode! Title! (ok, there's no way to redlink that...)?
edited 21st Mar '12 10:29:39 AM by lebrel
I'm opposed to broadening the definition much. This has nothing to do with Punctuated! For! Emphasis!. This is a title of the form "[Sentence or sentence fragment]! [Second, usually more descriptive sentence]!" A title punctuated for emphasis would be something completely different (like "Chant! Words! Together!"). The only thing I would argue is that the second sentence does not need to have an exclamation mark, and indeed, it frequently lacks any punctuation whatsoever. Goranger, for instance, has titles on the order of "Red Mystery! Pursue the Spy Route to the Sea", but it still clearly follows the form. As for western examples, they're rare, but they exist. The World of Warcraft and Scott Pilgrim examples on the main page seem legit, for instance.
Dragon WriterWe have some bad in-page examples too, but nowhere near the same extent as the related wikilinks. (And you're right, the Scott Pilgrim example is correct on both counts.)
edited 21st Mar '12 11:46:43 AM by Stratadrake
Maybe make the title more self demonstrating? Keep the defintion, clean up misuse. However, in this case, much of the misuse seems to be in the form of Zero Context Examples on anime pages for show that probably have lots of legitimate examples, so instead of just cutting the wicks perhaps you can move them to the discussion page, or do a google search on episode titles to find some more context for the examples.
edited 21st Mar '12 12:01:28 PM by Catbert
adopting kittehAgree with Catbert! Doing so on both accounts! The problem is that the current trope name is way too broad for a trope that has a very specific form and scope. So making the title more selfdemonstrating ("Excited! Episode Title!") or renaming it to add context ("Episode Title! Emphasized and Excited!") would help a lot.
PIKA! ^_^American Dad! has this trope listed too, since technically the exclamation mark is part of the show's title. Don't know what that would count for towards this discussion.
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Cure CandyThe Pretty Cure Fan Fics are probably correct (Considering how much the series uses this ◊ ◊ ◊ ◊ ◊ ◊ ◊ ◊) but yeah needs more detail I have no idea about Fan Fics. That is Excited Show Title!
edited 21st Mar '12 1:34:03 PM by Raso
Wait, so if Excited Show Title! has as its only qualifier that the title end with an exclamation point, no wonder Excited Episode Title! is being confused with anything with an exclamation point. So.... Excited Title!Two Part Exclaming Episode Name!
edited 21st Mar '12 1:40:55 PM by Catbert
I see the Awesomeness.I'm cool with 17.
Dragon Writer@17 Thank you! That's why the name is broken: Excited Episode Title! and Excited Show Title! are a Bad Snowclone of one another. The names imply they should be the same thing but for X, but they're not quite. IMHO I would rather see "any title using an exclamation mark for emphasis" under a name like Exclaiming Title, and the specific "Title! Longer Subtitle!" titling convention under a new name that properly conveys its definition. I get an impression that the purpose of this convention is to combine a chapter title/synopsis together, where the first phrase is a theme or metaphor, and the second (longer) phrase is description (or another metaphor) that implies something about the episode's actual plot.
A thought comes to mind - is this the same trope as when the title is something like "Bla bla bla OR, bla bla bla" like Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons? compare: "The Mail Animal or Bullwinkle Stamps His Foot" to "Surviving the Cut: The Rookie Nine Together Again!"
Fallen PaladinNo, that's Either/Or Title, and it has nothing to do with the Japanese-specific Excited Episode Title!. Either/Or Title is common in older Western works. Its straight use pretty much died out during the 19th century, and nowadays it's mainly Played for Laughs (unless it's used to pastiche older literature).
edited 22nd Mar '12 1:21:25 PM by DoktorvonEurotrash
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Cure CandyIt isn't a subtitle though, the whole thing is the episodes title, Excited Two Sentence!Spoiler Episode Title!!
Dragon WriterI know that; but it doesn't change my perspective any.
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I think Excited Episode Title! should be a supertrope of the Japanese two-liner variant.
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