Misused: Excited Episode Title

Deadlock Clock: 25th Apr 2012 11:59:00 PM
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Dragon Writer
Episode #320 - Horrible Misuse! Nice Job Breaking It, Wiki!

Anyway, this trope is specifically the convention of (primarily) anime episode titles being formatted as "Sentence One! Longer sentence Two!" But it's picking up misuse for pretty much any title that ends in an exclamation point.

So Blam! Let's Crunch Those Numbers!

Ambiguous! And Some Zero-Context Example, Too!

(...this certainly doesn't improve my opinion of either Pretty Cure or Fan Fic, but moving on.)

Mixed Cases! There's A Correct Example In Here Somewhere? But They're Othersise Missing The Whole Point!

  • Busta Rhymes: "Woo Hah!! Got You All in Check", "There's Only One Year Left!!!", "What's It Gonna Be?!", "What the Fuck You Want!!", "This Means War!!", "Salute Da Gods!!", "Bladow!!", "Get Out!!".
  • Shugo Chara!: "Most episodes have at least one exclamatory! or questionably exclamatory?! segment, some have two."
  • Video Games Awesome!: "Usually in the pattern of [Game] is AWESOME! or for multiparters - [Subtitle]! - [Game] is AWESOME!"
  • YuYu Hakusho: "Including Excited Chapter Titles in the manga, where Volume 9, for instance, was composed entirely of titles that ended in 3 exclamation points."

Misused! These Examples Are Wrong On So Many Levels!

Truly Ambiguous! Could Swing Either Way!

Lists and indexes! Legally Obligated To Post These!

Last And (sorry) Least! Articles Using The Trope Correctly!

This is the complete A thru Z range. And the picture ain't pretty:

  • Very small ratio of clear and correct usage (15 of 119, or about 12%)
  • Lots of Zero-Context Example (44 of 119, about 40%). It's impossible to evaluate the "true" usage/misuse ratio with such massive ambiguity.
  • Lots of misuse compared to the article's definition. (43 of 119, another 40%)

edited 22nd Mar '12 8:57:08 AM by Stratadrake

2 lebrel21st Mar 2012 09:34:08 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
I don't know if this needs to be about the exact format that it specifies. Two or more subparts with exclamation points, and the titles that use exclamation points for Punctuated! For! Emphasis! seem fine to me.
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Dragon Writer
But that's not the current definition of the trope, so those examples are misuse, period.

This trope isn't "Titles With Exclamation Points!", nor is it "Titles! That! Are! Punctuated! For! Emphasis!". It's a very specific title format, and that's largely how it's not getting used.

So what do we do? Do we change the name, change the definition, both, or what? Misuse is misuse.

edited 21st Mar '12 10:15:13 AM by Stratadrake

4 lebrel21st Mar 2012 10:14:43 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
[up] I was implying that we should broaden the definition.
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Dragon Writer
But how tropable is "list of all titles using exclamation points" ?

edited 21st Mar '12 10:16:21 AM by Stratadrake

6 lebrel21st Mar 2012 10:17:57 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
[up] I specifically avoided saying it should be "titles with exclamation points". I said "Two or more subparts with exclamation points, and the titles that use exclamation points for Punctuated! For! Emphasis!". I don't have an objection to including all titles with exclamation points, necessarily, but that would make it much larger.
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Dragon Writer
Okay, I see what you're getting at, but that barely puts a dent in the misuse ratio, since it is currently getting treated like a synonym for "any title ending with an exclamation point". The current name is broken. It does nothing to convey the requirement of being a multi-part title (current definition or yours alike).

edited 21st Mar '12 10:26:58 AM by Stratadrake

8 lebrel21st Mar 2012 10:28:57 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
I don't have a problem with the name. I think it's one of those things where people like the trope so much they try to Square Peg, Round Trope in anything that even remotely fits. We could custom-title it to Excited! Episode! Title! (ok, there's no way to redlink that...)?

edited 21st Mar '12 10:29:39 AM by lebrel

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[up] Yes, we should.

And if this exclusive to Japan, why do we have western examples? Most of them seem to be misuse, according to the wick check. Maybe a note to spell it out?
10 lebrel21st Mar 2012 10:51:18 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
[up] I don't think this is exclusive to Japan. The page dates back to the era when the site was divided by medium, and it used to be part of the anime section. But it does seem to be more common in anime/manga.
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I'm opposed to broadening the definition much. This has nothing to do with Punctuated! For! Emphasis!. This is a title of the form "[Sentence or sentence fragment]! [Second, usually more descriptive sentence]!" A title punctuated for emphasis would be something completely different (like "Chant! Words! Together!"). The only thing I would argue is that the second sentence does not need to have an exclamation mark, and indeed, it frequently lacks any punctuation whatsoever. Goranger, for instance, has titles on the order of "Red Mystery! Pursue the Spy Route to the Sea", but it still clearly follows the form.

As for western examples, they're rare, but they exist. The World of Warcraft and Scott Pilgrim examples on the main page seem legit, for instance.
Dragon Writer
We have some bad in-page examples too, but nowhere near the same extent as the related wikilinks. (And you're right, the Scott Pilgrim example is correct on both counts.)

edited 21st Mar '12 11:46:43 AM by Stratadrake

Maybe make the title more self demonstrating?

Keep the defintion, clean up misuse. However, in this case, much of the misuse seems to be in the form of Zero Context Examples on anime pages for show that probably have lots of legitimate examples, so instead of just cutting the wicks perhaps you can move them to the discussion page, or do a google search on episode titles to find some more context for the examples.

edited 21st Mar '12 12:01:28 PM by Catbert

14 SilentReverence21st Mar 2012 01:02:58 PM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
Agree with Catbert! Doing so on both accounts! The problem is that the current trope name is way too broad for a trope that has a very specific form and scope. So making the title more selfdemonstrating ("Excited! Episode Title!") or renaming it to add context ("Episode Title! Emphasized and Excited!") would help a lot.
15 DRCEQ21st Mar 2012 01:06:38 PM , Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
American Dad! has this trope listed too, since technically the exclamation mark is part of the show's title. Don't know what that would count for towards this discussion.
Cure Candy
The Pretty Cure Fan Fics are probably correct (Considering how much the series uses this [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]) but yeah needs more detail I have no idea about Fan Fics.

[up] That is Excited Show Title!

edited 21st Mar '12 1:34:03 PM by Raso

Wait, so if Excited Show Title! has as its only qualifier that the title end with an exclamation point, no wonder Excited Episode Title! is being confused with anything with an exclamation point.

So.... Excited Title!Two Part Exclaming Episode Name!

edited 21st Mar '12 1:40:55 PM by Catbert

18 Deboss21st Mar 2012 04:58:31 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I'm cool with 17.
Dragon Writer
@17 Thank you! That's why the name is broken: Excited Episode Title! and Excited Show Title! are a Bad Snowclone of one another. The names imply they should be the same thing but for X, but they're not quite.

IMHO I would rather see "any title using an exclamation mark for emphasis" under a name like Exclaiming Title, and the specific "Title! Longer Subtitle!" titling convention under a new name that properly conveys its definition. I get an impression that the purpose of this convention is to combine a chapter title/synopsis together, where the first phrase is a theme or metaphor, and the second (longer) phrase is description (or another metaphor) that implies something about the episode's actual plot.
A thought comes to mind - is this the same trope as when the title is something like "Bla bla bla OR, bla bla bla" like Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons?


"The Mail Animal or Bullwinkle Stamps His Foot" to "Surviving the Cut: The Rookie Nine Together Again!"
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[up]No, that's Either/Or Title, and it has nothing to do with the Japanese-specific Excited Episode Title!.

Either/Or Title is common in older Western works. Its straight use pretty much died out during the 19th century, and nowadays it's mainly Played for Laughs (unless it's used to pastiche older literature).

edited 22nd Mar '12 1:21:25 PM by DoktorvonEurotrash

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Cure Candy
[up][up][up] It isn't a subtitle though, the whole thing is the episodes title, Excited Two Sentence!Spoiler Episode Title!!
Dragon Writer
I know that; but it doesn't change my perspective any.
24 ccoa22nd Apr 2012 06:08:09 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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25 Spark922nd Apr 2012 06:14:18 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I think Excited Episode Title! should be a supertrope of the Japanese two-liner variant.
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Alternative Titles: Excited Episode Title
11th Jul '12 9:30:19 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
We need a new name for Excited Episode Title that reflect the fact that this is not just about any titles with exclamation points, but refers to a specific style of two part title.

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