Escher:Actually, even if you wanted to argue that revealing information about the Reapers made them less and less eldritch, they still fit the trope; you just have to phrase it right: Reapers are treated as Eldritch Abominations in the first Mass Effect game; in the sequels they seem to be "merely" Sufficiently Advanced Aliens.
Totally nailed it. Maybe we could use a Special Efforts thread to clean up the really bad examples, but when it comes to things that only-half fit, all we need to do is write that they only half fit. We don't need a strict set of guidelines for what does and doesn't count.
"Do you feel like removing all the wicks to that redirect?"(I don't but since nobody else is doing it). Those two arguments, the last one from moderation) is why I've been removing redirect wicks.
Renaming, splitting, I've noticed but haven't been interested in because removing has taken up any interest I can really give the topic. "Cosmic Horror" has none of those outbound links people love to use in defense of wrong wording and Eldritch Abomination will still have 7000 links and will still have 14,000 outbounds once its gone.
The difference is, cosmic horror is a genre, and eldritch abomination is a monster. Public Medium Ignorance aside they really shouldn't link to the same place. Cosmic horror stories can be written without any eldritch abominations in them and the monsters can show up in virtually any genre, its silly to leave them that attached to one type of horror story. If someone wants to help I'll gladly join the other discussions related to the topic when this is finished.
We don't care about outbound links (except when they violate the Weblinks Are Not Examples guidelines), only inbound links. Inbound links for redirects are counted for the main page, so we can't track the external traffic they're getting.
No, seriously, what the heck does this "wick cleanup" actually involve? It's not an option on the crowner and nobody seems to have a clear idea what an Eldritch Abomination actually is in the first place (though there seems to be general consensus - at least from the people posting in the thread - that the current definition is too restrictive), so I can't tell what wicks should be changed and what they'd be changed to.
Its not just down to wick cleanup, if that's what you're asking. Moderation has simply said Cosmic Horror's axing as a redirect is not up for discussion until its 800+ wicks have been changed to something else or removed.
As for the definition? It's really not that complicated, the page itself is too long as it is. Eldritch:Weird, eerie, not easy to define/defies categorizing(and) abomination: horrible, worthy of hate or scorn.
I'll elaborate further when I'm done with what I started. but(edit), its probably disqualified from being an eldritch if the characters not in league with it/equal to it/under its control still fully understand it with no damage to their psyche. If it comes in a familiar form by default(humanoids are pretty much out unless the characters themselves are not humanoid), or its extremely common to the point it can be frequently encountered without consequence. Also, it has to be unpleasant in some way(abomination), even if its only a perceived problem.
Is this still going on? As madrugada said, the cosmic horror title was changed due to misuse. This wasn't choosing something more indicative over something more clear, it was changing something that was wrong. Unless your referencing that trading card game that Did Not Do The Research, every single instance where cosmic horror goes to eldritch abomination is incorrect! It's been two years, why is this still the case?
If there is an argument to be had, it should be whether Cosmic Horror should be deleted(already proposed) or whether cosmic horror should redirect to Cosmic Horror Story instead of Eldritch Abomination. Shouldn't even be in the repair shop, it should be on special efforts. Well, some people have argued over whether the definition needs fixing and all that and the crowner over it ha no consensus I see so it doesn't need to be in the repair shop anymore. Cosmic horror has to either be cut or become the a different redirect to another trope. Eldritch Abomination was launched to stop people from calling this type of monster a "cosmic horror" in the first place, an elephant some people seem to be overlooking.
We still classify Star Trek and Star Wars as science fiction despite believers of the Sci-Fi Ghetto say they aren't right?
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You've got it entirely backwards, Indirect. Cosmic Horror was made a redirect to Eldritch Abomination because the vast majority of the wick (80% of about 800 at that time) were using it as a noun, referring to the creatures, (frex, "He was attacked by a Cosmic Horror" or "The <fitb> are Cosmic Horrors capable of consuming all life on a planet in a matter of hours.") rather than as the name of the genre. We are not going to change it back.
Eldritch Abomination may have been made to try to draw a distinction between the creatures and the genre, but it simply didn't work. The decision to rename the genre page was most assuredly not made casually or without a great deal of discussion and searching for some other solution.
edited 27th Sep '12 9:41:07 PM by Madrugada
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