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Don't Fear the SpidersWait, what? You clearly misunderstand what a trope is.
Keep it breezy!
I kind of like the idea of having Adult Spanking as a sub-trope of Corporal Punishment. Fanservice Spanking and Comedic Spanking could be sub-tropes to that. Comedic Spanking could also be subtrope of children's punishment (god, I still cannot remember the phrase with the belt, that's clearly a bad name), even though as I said earlier, today it will come off as Dude, Not Funny!. Or we could not split it up and just emphasise when the trope is Played for Laughs. (Playing With wiki sub-page will need attention with these tropes.) Corporal Punishment is clearly a super trope, therefore a trope. Why wouldn't it be a trope?
edit: Yes, I think it's too long for a trope name. Everytime I try to Wiki Word it, I mess up, e.g. I change the word order. But it can be just me.
edited 10th Apr '13 3:20:51 AM by XFllo
Pronounced YAK-you-luss"Don't make me take off my belt"?
Freedom of speech includes the freedom for other people to call you out on your bullshit.
^^ I guess my beef lies with a large section of our wiki content. So many of our pages aren't storytelling tropes but are just "things that exist, in everyday life, and that also exist in fiction but with far lower frequency." So "corporal punishment" wasn't invented by fiction and in fact places no spin on the real life equivalent at all. It can be used in many ways in stories (i.e. it may be associated with many tropes) but I'm reluctant to call that sort of thing a trope in itself. It's not a storytelling convention, it's not a narrative technique, it's not a plot. It's just a noun, which can be used in any number of plots or in any number of tropes.
White WalkerOT, but relevant to the trope- I wondered where people were getting the idea that this trope is used in The Taming of the Shrew (as opposed to some of its adaptations).
We’re all different people all through our lives. And that’s okay... so long as you remember all the people that you used to be.
You might want to read No Trope Is Too Common and Truth in Television. Neither frequency nor existing in real life make something Not a Trope.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
A Wizard boyGiving this a vote bump. Btw, downvoted Sexy Spanking because it sounds like Fetish Fuel and not like a trope.
BTW is anyone working on the sandbox? I tried to sort some examples, but some of them are Zero Context, so it's hard to tell which one it is. Some if them can be considered both: both sexy fanservice and comedy. Sometimes I think there is spanking children portrayed as comedy (mainly from older works due to Values Dissonance).
A Wizard boyI personally would just delete all the Zero Context material.
Well, the problem also is that they are not exactly Zero-Context Example, but I am unfamiliar with the characters and the work in question, it's hard to tell whether the characters are adults and it fits the trope, or kids and that it should be moved. Also it says nothing whether it's supposed to be fanservice or funny. We could move it to the discussion pages of the split tropes perhaps. BTW I changed by vote to up for Kinky Spanking. I don't think it's ideal, but the only one in green and would like to see something done with the trope. Pity that Fanservice Spanking or Adult Spanking are both in red.
edited 12th Jun '13 3:11:59 AM by XFllo
I haven't yet had time to read all the discussion but I think this opinion will be valid anyway. Just based on the trope name, I expected it to be "cute (possibly young) character gets punished unfairly, possibly by spanking, and the audience is expected to feel sorry for the character". So I suggest that if that's not what the trope's about, a name change is required but if the intended trope is as I stated, the name should stay the same and non-examples should go to new tropes.
Absent-minded professor and Neverwinter Nights DM
Valid opinion but basically what we are doing already. Here is my earlier summary of the discussion. It was already decided that the trope is to be split up into two tropes and both will have a new name. The current name is a bad snowclone, because The Cutie in this trope needn't be The Cutie at all. It can be any adult, actually, adorable or not. There are to be two new tropes — Fanservice use and comedy use. We just need to agree on new names and sort out the examples.
How is Kinky Spanking better than Sexy Spanking? Seems like almost the same thing more or less. Suggestive Spanking maybe? I think any name you come up with here is gonna sound like Fetish Fuel honestly. Honestly, I'm starting to think the original name wasn't that bad after separation.
Do you think it would be ok now to call the crowner?
What is the proper course of action now? Can we launch Kinky Spanking and move examples? Or should we wait till the second name (for spanking Played for Laughs) is chosen as well?
Bumping. Also I made a crowner for choosing a name of comedic use of spanking. Link. I added just one very bland name. Suggestions welcome.
Do you think it would help to start YKTTW for Kinky Spanking and then another one for the comedic use? It would be seen by more people who could help to sort out the examples in Sandbox.Spank The Cutie. Not many people are working on the sandbox itself. Also did we decide what to do with examples that fall into "children spanked for comedy"? It was suggested (or agreed?) that they belong to Don't Make Me Take My Belt Off or Corporal Punishment, but could they be also put in the trope defined as comedic use of spanking?
edited 11th Jul '13 4:01:43 PM by XFllo
Bumping for votes.
Comedic Spanking is the only option in green. Any more suggestions for the name?
Still need more votes. Comedic Spanking has 5 supports and 1 oppose.
I started a YKTTW for Kinky Spanking. Please have a look at Sandbox.Spank The Cutie and help me to sort the examples. As I said, in some examples there is no way of telling who the characters are and if the example is supposed to be funny or sexy. The draft is here.
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