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Needs Help (New Name Crowner Jan 18): Spank The Cutie get usage counts

 101 Editor Pall Mall, Tue, 9th Apr '13 3:44:09 PM from United States, East Coast
Don't Fear the Spiders
[up]Wait, what? You clearly misunderstand what a trope is.
Keep it breezy!
 102 X Fllo, Tue, 9th Apr '13 7:45:01 PM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
I kind of like the idea of having Adult Spanking as a sub-trope of Corporal Punishment. Fanservice Spanking and Comedic Spanking could be sub-tropes to that. Comedic Spanking could also be subtrope of children's punishment (god, I still cannot remember the phrase with the belt, that's clearly a bad name), even though as I said earlier, today it will come off as Dude, Not Funny!.

Or we could not split it up and just emphasise when the trope is Played for Laughs. (Playing With wiki sub-page will need attention with these tropes.)

Corporal Punishment is clearly a super trope, therefore a trope. Why wouldn't it be a trope?


edit: [down] Yes, I think it's too long for a trope name. Everytime I try to Wiki Word it, I mess up, e.g. I change the word order. But it can be just me.

edited 10th Apr '13 3:20:51 AM by XFllo

Pronounced YAK-you-luss
"Don't make me take off my belt"?
Freedom of speech includes the freedom for other people to call you out on your bullshit.
^^ I guess my beef lies with a large section of our wiki content. So many of our pages aren't storytelling tropes but are just "things that exist, in everyday life, and that also exist in fiction but with far lower frequency."

So "corporal punishment" wasn't invented by fiction and in fact places no spin on the real life equivalent at all. It can be used in many ways in stories (i.e. it may be associated with many tropes) but I'm reluctant to call that sort of thing a trope in itself. It's not a storytelling convention, it's not a narrative technique, it's not a plot. It's just a noun, which can be used in any number of plots or in any number of tropes.

 105 Hodor, Tue, 7th May '13 8:37:58 AM from Westeros
Cleric of Banjo
OT, but relevant to the trope- I wondered where people were getting the idea that this trope is used in The Taming of the Shrew (as opposed to some of its adaptations).
Edit, edit, edit, edit the wiki
 106 shimaspawn, Sat, 11th May '13 1:37:54 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up][up] You might want to read No Trope Is Too Common and Truth in Television. Neither frequency nor existing in real life make something Not a Trope.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 107 Septimus Heap, Wed, 12th Jun '13 12:13:44 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Giving this a vote bump. Btw, downvoted Sexy Spanking because it sounds like Fetish Fuel and not like a trope.

 108 X Fllo, Wed, 12th Jun '13 1:02:26 AM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
BTW is anyone working on the sandbox? I tried to sort some examples, but some of them are Zero Context, so it's hard to tell which one it is.

Some if them can be considered both: both sexy fanservice and comedy. Sometimes I think there is spanking children portrayed as comedy (mainly from older works due to Values Dissonance).

 109 Septimus Heap, Wed, 12th Jun '13 1:05:31 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I personally would just delete all the Zero Context material.

 110 X Fllo, Wed, 12th Jun '13 3:08:28 AM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
[up] Well, the problem also is that they are not exactly Zero-Context Example, but I am unfamiliar with the characters and the work in question, it's hard to tell whether the characters are adults and it fits the trope, or kids and that it should be moved. Also it says nothing whether it's supposed to be fanservice or funny.

We could move it to the discussion pages of the split tropes perhaps.

BTW I changed by vote to up for Kinky Spanking. I don't think it's ideal, but the only one in green and would like to see something done with the trope.

Pity that Fanservice Spanking or Adult Spanking are both in red.

edited 12th Jun '13 3:11:59 AM by XFllo

I haven't yet had time to read all the discussion but I think this opinion will be valid anyway.

Just based on the trope name, I expected it to be "cute (possibly young) character gets punished unfairly, possibly by spanking, and the audience is expected to feel sorry for the character".

So I suggest that if that's not what the trope's about, a name change is required but if the intended trope is as I stated, the name should stay the same and non-examples should go to new tropes.
Absent-minded professor and Neverwinter Nights DM
 112 X Fllo, Wed, 12th Jun '13 12:39:41 PM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
[up] Valid opinion but basically what we are doing already. Here is my earlier summary of the discussion.

It was already decided that the trope is to be split up into two tropes and both will have a new name. The current name is a bad snowclone, because The Cutie in this trope needn't be The Cutie at all. It can be any adult, actually, adorable or not.

There are to be two new tropes — Fanservice use and comedy use. We just need to agree on new names and sort out the examples.

 113 kiukiuclk, Wed, 12th Jun '13 2:08:34 PM from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
How is Kinky Spanking better than Sexy Spanking? Seems like almost the same thing more or less.

Suggestive Spanking maybe? I think any name you come up with here is gonna sound like Fetish Fuel honestly. Honestly, I'm starting to think the original name wasn't that bad after separation.

 114 X Fllo, Wed, 26th Jun '13 11:15:27 AM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
Do you think it would be ok now to call the crowner?

yup

 116 Willbyr, Wed, 26th Jun '13 8:06:19 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Calling for Kinky Spanking.
 117 X Fllo, Thu, 27th Jun '13 3:08:41 PM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
What is the proper course of action now? Can we launch Kinky Spanking and move examples? Or should we wait till the second name (for spanking Played for Laughs) is chosen as well?

 118 X Fllo, Wed, 10th Jul '13 11:07:16 AM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
Bumping.

Also I made a crowner for choosing a name of comedic use of spanking. Link.

I added just one very bland name. Suggestions welcome.

 119 Willbyr, Wed, 10th Jul '13 1:06:13 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
[up] Crowner's hooked.
 120 X Fllo, Thu, 11th Jul '13 4:01:27 PM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
Do you think it would help to start YKTTW for Kinky Spanking and then another one for the comedic use?

It would be seen by more people who could help to sort out the examples in Sandbox.Spank The Cutie. Not many people are working on the sandbox itself.

Also did we decide what to do with examples that fall into "children spanked for comedy"? It was suggested (or agreed?) that they belong to Don't Make Me Take My Belt Off or Corporal Punishment, but could they be also put in the trope defined as comedic use of spanking?

edited 11th Jul '13 4:01:43 PM by XFllo

 121 X Fllo, Sun, 28th Jul '13 2:17:18 PM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
Bumping for votes.

 122 X Fllo, Tue, 30th Jul '13 3:02:08 AM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
Comedic Spanking is the only option in green. Any more suggestions for the name?

Still need more votes. Comedic Spanking has 5 supports and 1 oppose.

Bump.

 125 X Fllo, Fri, 13th Sep '13 1:43:00 AM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
I started a YKTTW for Kinky Spanking. Please have a look at Sandbox.Spank The Cutie and help me to sort the examples. As I said, in some examples there is no way of telling who the characters are and if the example is supposed to be funny or sexy.

The draft is here.

Alternative Titles: Comedic Spank The Cutie
10th Jul '13 11:03:54 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
Previous crowner decided on a split between fanservice and comedic forms of this trope. This crowner is to choose the name for the comedic version of the trope. (Fanservice use was voted to be named as Kinky Spanking.)
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