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Fez's developer on JP games: "Your Games just suck":

What a prick.

''Following a GDC screening of Indie Game The Movie – a documentary about games design that Fish heavily features in – the Canadian Polytron developer took part in a Q&A discussion with the audience.

A standing ovation for the movie itself set the tone for an open and positive discussion about indie games with the audience, yet when an unknown Japanese developer took to the mic to ask a question, the mood visibly turned.

The Japanese developer praised the movie and said he was pleased to see how many independent developers had been inspired by games such as Super Mario Bros and Zelda since their childhood.

But when he asked what the panel thought of modern Japanese video games, Phil Fish (pictured) immediately replied “your games just suck” – a comment that sparked an audible reaction from the crowd, though some were cheering."

That's mean of him. sad
Alt account of Angeldog 2437.
Yes how dare he voice an opinion about games he doesn't like.

"You want to see how a human dies? At ramming speed." - Emily Wong.
 4 Ramus, Tue, 6th Mar '12 7:42:53 PM from some computer somwhere.
Lead.
Broad strokes verging on prejudice strike again!
The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
[up][up]I know it's his opinion, but he didn't have to say it like that... sad
Alt account of Angeldog 2437.
 6 Aondeug, Tue, 6th Mar '12 7:46:14 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
^^It's breaking news. BREAKING. NEWS.

Now to say the same thing about Western games because clearly this is how I must act. It is the only proper course of action!

-hides copy of L.A. Noire and various RTS games-

edited 6th Mar '12 7:50:57 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Spoilerlover
[up][up][up] Expressing criticism for an entire part of the medium is more than desliking a few games.

 8 Beorc, Tue, 6th Mar '12 7:50:55 PM from the white void Relationship Status: I know
Ridley
The article says he went on to say a "string of criticisms about game design flaws in Japan", but doesn't seem to bother saying what any of those criticisms actually were...

edited 6th Mar '12 7:51:29 PM by Beorc

 9 Aondeug, Tue, 6th Mar '12 7:53:09 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
Though honestly? Meh. Not grumpy though I am curious as to what his criticisms about the games actually are. Mostly so I can see how his taste in things varies from my own. I wonder if "Rail roaded plot" is part of it for example. I personally greatly prefer rail roaded plots. Because I feel like my choices aren't as meaningful as the one path the writers gave me.

In the case of sandboxy games like Skyrim it creates this way of taking me out of the experience.

Since I can choose to ignore a war and nothing will really happen if I do so. Yet I am going about other quest lines. Ignoring a supposedly time critical event.

edited 6th Mar '12 7:54:07 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
 10 Ramus, Tue, 6th Mar '12 7:54:45 PM from some computer somwhere.
Lead.
Well, I'm curious what criticisms you can give for an entire nation and its supply of games that come from many, many different developers.
The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
I don't know.
Yes how dare he voice an opinion about games he doesn't like.
No, he's allowed to voice his opinion about games he doesn't like.

But we're allowed to voice our opinion about him being a dick for saying an entire country's game industry "just sucks".
And to say I was nervous...
it wouldn't be quite enough.
 12 Aondeug, Tue, 6th Mar '12 7:58:53 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
And what sorts of visual aesthetics does he like? Those are important dammit!

DOES THE STYLISTIC ANIMU WTFERY OF PERSONA TURN HIS CRANK?!
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
 13 LOEADITO Ox, Tue, 6th Mar '12 7:59:19 PM from Anywhere xcept here
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Sure our games fared better /sarcarsm
 14 Beorc, Tue, 6th Mar '12 7:59:52 PM from the white void Relationship Status: I know
Ridley
Turn his crank?

Is...is that, like, a bad thing?

 15 Ramus, Tue, 6th Mar '12 8:01:49 PM from some computer somwhere.
Lead.
Forget turning his crank, I want to know what sort of game play floats his boat.
The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
 16 Aondeug, Tue, 6th Mar '12 8:04:21 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
Means the same thing as "Floats his boat" and other similar turns of phrase.

And hey mentions of Inafune in the article!

-looks at Zero series-

...raeg

So yeah. Moving away from that... What sorts of gameplay does this dude like?
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
 17 Rynnec, Tue, 6th Mar '12 8:07:19 PM Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
Ronin
-looks at Zero series- ...raeg

Hey now, don't dis the awesomeness that is the Zero series.cool

Even though I suck at them. ;_;

But yeah, this dude is full of shit. What arrogance.

edited 6th Mar '12 8:07:55 PM by Rynnec

"I'll show you fear, there is no hell, only darkness."

My twitter
 18 Ramus, Tue, 6th Mar '12 8:07:47 PM from some computer somwhere.
Lead.
Anyway, since no one seems that have looked at the article, it should be noted that the Japanese developer asked about modern Japanese games. The classics are okay apparently. It should also be noted the guy who made the criticism (Fish is his last name) was not backed up by any of his codevelopers.

So yeah, take that as you will.
The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
Left Eye
It's more about where he said it(Game Developers Conference, one would expect more tact in a professional environment like that), who he said it to(he was specifically talking to one Japanese dev in the audience), how much of a generalization it is, and how he said it(flagrantly dismissive).

edited 6th Mar '12 8:11:47 PM by JotunofBoredom

 20 Aondeug, Tue, 6th Mar '12 8:10:56 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
But it reads like bad Zero fixfic by Inafune...

At least I have Maverick Hunter X to happily purchase though...

His not being backed up by his co-developers made me smile. Since while I'm not grumpy about his dickish behavior I'm glad no one on his side was defending him for it.

^And yeah. This is the issue with his actions. He worded it in a very poor fashion apparently.

edited 6th Mar '12 8:11:49 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
 21 Rynnec, Tue, 6th Mar '12 8:11:12 PM Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
Ronin
That doesn't change the fact that such a statement is arrogant BS. Japan's made some really wicked games these past few years.

[up]Yeah, but Inafune planned for the story to be that way. And there are some pretty compelling arguments why it isn't a Zero fixfic, but lets leave that discussion to the appropriate thread.

edited 6th Mar '12 8:12:27 PM by Rynnec

"I'll show you fear, there is no hell, only darkness."

My twitter
 22 Aondeug, Tue, 6th Mar '12 8:12:30 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
TWEWY omg so awesome

Persona 3 is reminding me of it tone wise for some reason.

^Yes and I disliked how he planned it and felt it was horrid. I much, much preferred how Maverick Hunter X handled Zero. He was that cool dude you wanted to be who tragically died.

I loved Zero as that guy.

edited 6th Mar '12 8:14:00 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
I thought Zero games had the best story of the MM games. But yeah another thread.

So what is this Fez all about exactly? I never even heard of it.

[down]Yeah I caught that, thanks though.

edited 6th Mar '12 8:16:31 PM by VertigoHigh

 24 Rynnec, Tue, 6th Mar '12 8:14:49 PM Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
Ronin
I hear Devil Survivor is also pretty similar to TWEWY.

Fair enough on the Zero thing. At least they didn't go with the original plan of the actual X becoming an oppressive ruler.

[up]It's a game about Fez's? Fezzes are cool.

edited 6th Mar '12 8:16:30 PM by Rynnec

"I'll show you fear, there is no hell, only darkness."

My twitter
 25 Clarste, Tue, 6th Mar '12 8:15:59 PM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
Anyway, since no one seems that have looked at the article, it should be noted that the Japanese developer asked about modern Japanese games. The classics are okay apparently.

It's still casting an unnecessarily wide net.

edited 6th Mar '12 8:17:17 PM by Clarste

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