Rename (alt titles 7/31): Deus Ex Nukina get usage counts
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76 SeptimusHeap13th Jul 2012 01:48:29 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Most Google hits are Japanese. There's also our trope up there. No characters, no Spain town.

Is the nukina = nuke connection that difficult? Otherwise, Deus Ex Nuke might do better (and be easy to rename)
77 Xtifr13th Jul 2012 12:03:45 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
"Nukina" sounds like a soft drink to me, or maybe some sort of spreadable food or breakfast product.

If we're going to change but keep the snowclone, it should be Nuke Ex Machina, not Deus Ex Nuke. The former follows the meaning of the original; the latter just sounds illiterate to anyone who actually understands the derivation of the original.

As for the claim that "deus ex machina" is something that people know—anyone who has been around TRS for a while knows that's not true. Previous discussions of other snowclones have inevitably had people coming in with no idea of what the name was supposed to mean. The term is certainly known in Lit Crit circles, but to the general public, it's cryptic gibberish.

I'd rather get rid of the snowclone entirely. I could—barely—be convinced to accept Nuke Ex Machina. That does actually kinda fit. I remain convinced that the current name has to go, and that Deus Ex Nuke is almost as bad, and would make us look bad, or, at least, ignorant.

eta: and we're long past the days when "who cares if the name makes sense to the casual reader—they can just click through and find out what it means" was an acceptable argument. Clarity is job one here at TRS. "Clear > concise > witty."

edited 13th Jul '12 12:07:52 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
78 Spark913th Jul 2012 12:09:21 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] Well said.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
79 SeptimusHeap13th Jul 2012 12:13:06 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
If we rename this, we need a name first. Only thing that comes in mind is Deus Ex Machina Nuke here
80 Xtifr13th Jul 2012 12:16:43 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
I have no problem with Nukus ex Machina, but is nuke as deus ex machina even common enough to trope? Most of the listed examples don't seem to fit.

edited 13th Jul '12 12:19:44 PM by AceOfSevens

82 SeptimusHeap13th Jul 2012 12:18:27 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
121 wicks and 79 inbounds. I am going to call for some more discretion when renaming.

Also, keep in mind that the name we pick must be distinct enough from Nuclear Option and Nuke 'em
83 Spark913th Jul 2012 12:29:51 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Arguably, Deus Ex Nukina itself is not distinct enough from Nuklear Option and Nuke 'em. In fact the three all sound the same to me, and this thread started out because this one was misused for other nuke tropes.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
84 Xtifr13th Jul 2012 12:31:28 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Suddenly Nukes (custom-titled to "Suddenly, Nukes")?

"Do we have enough examples to even keep this" is a good question. If most of the wicks are misuse, then they are irrelevant; if not, then there's our examples problem solved. The inbounds can always be preserved by making the current name a redirect. If necessary (if we really don't have enough examples to call this a trope), we could make it a redirect to Nuclear Option or Nuke 'em.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
85 SeptimusHeap13th Jul 2012 12:34:37 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A bit of difference playing, as far as I remember:
86 jkbeta14th Jul 2012 01:41:28 AM from right behind you , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Following up on 80: Nukes solve everything?
Nuke Ex Machina does sound better than Deus Ex Nuke, and certainly a lot clearer than the dog-latin Deus Ex Nukina.

It's meaning in the original latin is largely irrelevant. Deus ex Machina in modern usage doesn't have anything to do with actors portraying gods being lowered onto the stage with cranes, either. It's a metaphor. And as already mentioned, most readers don't know what the latin means anyway.
88 ccoa18th Jul 2012 06:08:49 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
I chainsawed the bad examples. Would someone like to double check to make sure I got them all?
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Took a look - only one I thought was misuse was Operation Downfall under Real Life - that example seems best suited for Nuclear Option.
Are the ones for situations where a nuke would actually be useful (Deep Impact, Aliens) supposed to be on here? I thought this was a nuke as a contrived solution.
91 ccoa23rd Jul 2012 08:50:33 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Possibly not. I kept the ones that were "nuke is used to resolve the major problem at the end of the work". But I suppose it's only a Deus ex Machina if it wasn't set up beforehand.

edited 23rd Jul '12 8:50:41 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Dragon Writer
Agreed. The whole point of a Deus ex Machina (and by extension, snowclone subtropes) is that it wasn't already established beforehand, it essentially just comes out of nowhere.
Things I don't want out of this:

So far, appears like this.
@37: link is actually to a Deus ex Machina Snowclone thread, not a nuke-trope one. Might start that one, plus I really don't like snowclones of Deus ex Machina.
95 Xtifr25th Jul 2012 03:06:16 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
I think we're at the point where a rename crowner might be justified.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
96 Spark931st Jul 2012 04:23:34 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] I agree.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
97 ccoa31st Jul 2012 12:54:15 PM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Crowner swapped in.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Didn't we change the definition to match the name at the start of the thread? Now we're going to change the name? What is this, Trope Of Theseus?
99 SeptimusHeap31st Jul 2012 01:18:50 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
^Yeah, and that is the reason why I am downvoting here - not before a better name suggestion, anyway.
100 Spark931st Jul 2012 03:19:15 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Post #80 has a number of suggestions, and then there's Nuke Ex Machina.
Special trousers. Very heroic.

Single Proposition: Deus Ex Nukina
31st Jul '12 4:33:09 AM
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