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Rename (alt titles 7/31): Deus Ex Nukina get usage counts

Dragon Writer
"Using nuclear weapons as a Deus ex Machina..."
If we go by the strict interpretation of a Deus ex Machina* then we do have a Bad Snowclone — very bad.

Which means that popcorn disaster flicks like The Core, Armageddon, and Sunshine are not technically examples because delivering a nuke was the whole freaking point of those stories, not an out-of-nowhere resolution.

edited 1st Mar '12 7:48:48 PM by Stratadrake

 27 Native Jovian, Fri, 2nd Mar '12 3:23:16 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
My interpretation of Deus Ex Nukina has always been "using a nuke to do whatever your plot requires it to". This mostly comes from the line at the end of the first paragraph: "Such applications are sometimes contrived and occasionally approach the arbitrariness of Green Rocks." If that's not the current definition, then I would recommend changing it to that, to make it distinct from Nuclear Option and Artistic License - Nuclear Physics.

So the trope family would look like this:

A rename couldn't hurt, though. I'd say something like Nuclear Green Rocks, but that's almost guaranteed to be mistaken for Sickly Green Glow. Do Anything Nuke? Arbitrary Nuclear Effects?
 28 ccoa, Fri, 2nd Mar '12 3:28:45 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Isn't "a nuke doing something a nuke can't do" still Artistic License - Nuclear Physics? That page is a catch-all for any time a nuclear weapon or nuclear power is portrayed in such a way that it violates the laws of physics, whether it was a deliberate choice (Artistic License) or a mistake (Did Not Do The Research).

edited 2nd Mar '12 3:30:42 PM by ccoa

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 29 Septimus Heap, Fri, 2nd Mar '12 3:33:57 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
You are right, as it currently stands, there is no clear distinction. This way, I'd propose the following redefinition:

 30 Native Jovian, Fri, 2nd Mar '12 3:56:59 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
[up][up]Artistic License - Nuclear Physics is about technical errors. It talks about things like criticality and radiation. Deus Ex Nukina is (or should be) about nuclear devices as Green Rocks — they do things that are effectively magic, because the plot requires it of them.
 31 Septimus Heap, Fri, 2nd Mar '12 3:59:23 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
As ^ says, Artistic License - Nuclear Physics and Deus Ex Nukina stand to each other like Artistic License - Physics to Green Rocks.

 32 Spark 9, Mon, 2nd Apr '12 9:05:26 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Bump. Time for a page action crowner?
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 33 Tuefel Hunden IV, Mon, 2nd Apr '12 4:02:32 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
I like this suggestion the best It makes the most sense over all. I also noticed Nuke em and Deus ex Nukina are using the exact same quote.
"Who watches the watchmen?"
This is what I'm hearing:

edited 2nd Apr '12 5:17:32 PM by spacemarine50

 
 35 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 2nd Apr '12 4:57:53 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Slightly off topic, but do we need a special efforts thread for all the Deus ex Machina snowclones?
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
 36 Spark 9, Tue, 3rd Apr '12 1:21:33 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] Yes, definitely.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 37 Dragon Quest Z, Tue, 3rd Apr '12 12:12:05 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Special efforts thread here.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
 38 ccoa, Tue, 3rd Apr '12 12:15:59 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Before I make the crowner, let's make sure I have the options right:

Option 1:

  • Nuclear Option: Nukes used as a weapon when the consequences of not using them is worse.
  • Nuke 'em: Nukes used as a weapon and the go-to solution of the evil, trigger happy military
  • Deus Ex Nukina: Nukes used as a tool (as opposed to a weapon) to solve the current problem. Sometimes requires them to have powers/applications that real nukes don't.
  • Artistic License - Nuclear Physics: Nukes can't do that.

Option 2:

Option 3:

Did I miss any? Does anyone have anything to add as far as pros or cons for any of them?

edited 3rd Apr '12 12:22:19 PM by ccoa

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Any of those options doesn't address my concerns:

Should I post my Option here?

edited 3rd Apr '12 5:37:30 PM by spacemarine50

 
I think the trope with a name like Deus Ex Nukina must be a direct subtrope of Deus ex Machina.

 41 Septimus Heap, Wed, 4th Apr '12 5:45:21 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
[up][up]I don't think a rename is in order unless there is misuse going on. Also, Deus Ex Nukina sounds much more suited for the usage of a nuclear weapon as a Deus ex Machina, and that has nothing to do with scientific accuracy.

 42 ccoa, Wed, 4th Apr '12 6:45:54 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Spacemarine, I'm only understanding about half of that. But if you have a suggestion, this is the place to post it.

I think my post wasn't clear enough - other than minor tweaks to make the distinctions clear, we are not redefining or renaming Nuke 'em, Artistic License - Nuclear Physics, Nuclear Option, or A Nuclear Error.

Option 1:

Deus Ex Nukina: Nukes used as a tool (as opposed to a weapon) to solve the current problem. Sometimes requires them to have powers/applications that real nukes don't. (overlaps with, but is not directly a subtrope of, Artistic License - Nuclear Physics)

Option 2:

Deus Ex Nukina: Using a nuke to do something a nuke couldn't do. Essentially nuclear weapons as a type of Green Rocks. (Direct subtrope of Artistic License - Nuclear Physics)

Option 3:

Deus Ex Nukina: Unrealistic usage plot-wise. (Honestly, I don't know what this means)

edited 4th Apr '12 6:46:16 AM by ccoa

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 43 Septimus Heap, Wed, 4th Apr '12 7:00:51 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
[up]"Unrealistic usage plot-wise" means that the usage of a nuclear weapon for the particular purpose is unexpected given the problem, or like a Deus ex Machina.

edited 4th Apr '12 7:01:58 AM by SeptimusHeap

 44 ccoa, Mon, 7th May '12 8:00:06 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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 45 Septimus Heap, Mon, 7th May '12 10:06:03 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Made the crowner here. It was already hollered.

 46 ccoa, Mon, 7th May '12 12:32:33 PM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Crownered up.
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 47 ccoa, Fri, 25th May '12 1:44:37 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Bumping for votes.
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 48 ccoa, Wed, 11th Jul '12 9:14:53 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Bumping yet again for votes.
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World's Toughest Milkman
Nobody has suggested renaming this horrid snowclone? I'm amazed!
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 50 ccoa, Wed, 11th Jul '12 12:43:22 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
We can't rename it until we decide on a definition. We wouldn't know what to rename it to.

edited 11th Jul '12 12:44:05 PM by ccoa

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Single Proposition: Deus Ex Nukina
31st Jul '12 4:33:09 AM
Vote up for yes, down for no.
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