Misused: People Sit On Chairs get usage counts

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76 IndirectActiveTransport28th Feb 2012 06:30:23 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Underworld Guardian
It comes off to me like an arbitrary add on to make a problem seem worse than it is. 25 wicks, At least thirteen are correct, missing super trope is supposedly wrong, even though "to broad to have tropable meaning" is what people sit on chairs means, not tropable. Playing with shaped like what is sells is correct a statement so obvious as to be insulting, which sitting on chairs is.

Blatant lies wasn't wrong. The statement that politicians lie so much that a lying politician is almost unnoteworthy is correct use. Granted, it's an opinion you may not agree with but the context is still right.

There are 63 more wicks to go through, but the 712 in bounds don't matter here.

edited out spelling error

edited 28th Feb '12 6:35:55 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
Chairs is "no meaning", reason is irrelevant, maybe because it is common but maybe not. Many common things are meaningful, and many rare things are not.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
78 IndirectActiveTransport28th Feb 2012 07:01:37 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Underworld Guardian
Yeah, that's what was being implied. It doesn't need to be explained to me or the poster. He is using hyperbole, but the page itself asks for it.

For instance.

Stephen Colbert:So tell me about the bear from the Sankebetsu incident. Hideto Sakurai:It was a vicious killing machine Stephen Colbert:That's like saying fingers are on hands. Tell me something meaningful.

The poster knew exactly what they were doing. Renaming the trope isn't going to change that. At most, we can just tell tropers not to do that, but listing however redirects there are doesn't matter because we can't tell them what to do.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
79 DragonQuestZ28th Feb 2012 07:03:37 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
[up]What makes you think we rename to change what people think when they are doing something? We rename to make people realize what a trope is by the name.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
80 IndirectActiveTransport28th Feb 2012 07:16:04 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Underworld Guardian
The point is renaming isn't going to stop the misuse. They know what the trope is. Of no significance, the people misusing it either don't think they are misusing it or simply do not care because they think they are telling a good joke.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
Allegedly some of them are misusing it because of the name and those people would stop misusing it if the name were changed. I doubt it, but full disclosure: I also really like the name People Sit on Chairs.

edited 28th Feb '12 7:20:38 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
82 DragonQuestZ28th Feb 2012 08:07:26 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
"The point is renaming isn't going to stop the misuse. They know what the trope is."

The context of the misuse says they don't.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
I YKTTW'd something sort of related to this here.
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
@70- after I called that an issue. Did you read the post before that where I gave the correct definition?
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
@76- What does it mean when a person lies?

edited 29th Feb '12 4:34:46 AM by crazysamaritan

86 SeptimusHeap7th Mar 2012 01:35:36 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Updating with the note that Dragon Quest Z has declared the Too Common For Examples YKTTW Up for Grabs.

By the way, shouldn't this page go to Administrivia.People Sit On Chairs?
87 SeptimusHeap9th Mar 2012 03:28:03 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Another update: It seems that the Too Common For Examples YKTTW is being repurposed to be an index for such things and that another YKTTW will have to be made for the No Such Thing As Too Common To Trope.
88 Noaqiyeum11th Mar 2012 01:02:00 PM from across the gulf of space , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
...that's dumb. Even if we find it absolutely must be an index, why can't the index and predefined message go on the same page?

edited 11th Mar '12 1:02:33 PM by Noaqiyeum

89 SeptimusHeap11th Mar 2012 01:30:12 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
shimaspawn said that Too Common For Examples is not exactly the same as No Such Thing As Too Common To Trope and that it would probably be misused to shoot down examples for Missing Supertropes with all the resulting Trope Decay if it were the message itself.

So, what we need is:

[down]Corrected and [down][down]inserted

edited 12th Mar '12 10:11:44 AM by SeptimusHeap

90 DragonQuestZ11th Mar 2012 01:31:14 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
[up]I think you made a type on the second bullet point. Don't you mean No Such Thing As Too Common To Trope?

EDIT: And that is really wordy. How about No Trope Is Too Common?

edited 11th Mar '12 1:32:07 PM by DragonQuestZ

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
No Trope Is Too Common seems good, and I suggested Frequency And Meaning on the previous page.
92 SeptimusHeap12th Mar 2012 10:14:24 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Is anyone making a sandbox/YKTTW for No Such Thing As Too Common To Trope/No Trope Is Too Common?

Also, I just threw Too Common To Trope, former redirect to People Sit on Chairs into the Permanent Red Link Club for misrepresenting site policy and aiding Missing Supertrope Syndrome and Trope Decay of People Sit on Chairsevil grin
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
It should be a redirect to the No Trope Is Too Common trope as well.

I pointed out on the last page that Too Rare to Trope is getting similar misuse; does it need a fresh trs thread, or (since it's the inverse trope having the same problem inverted) can this thread fix that, too?
94 SeptimusHeap12th Mar 2012 10:24:45 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Needs its own TRS. I'm ready to help with both this and the other one.
95 SeptimusHeap12th Mar 2012 10:28:10 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
About Too Rare to Trope, I see that it has a "fishy" redirect, Just A Coincidence. Shouldn't this one point to People Sit on Chairs?

Also, looking around discussion pages and the TRS Morgue, it seems that the misuse of People Sit on Chairs is far older than this thread.
Too Rare to Trope/Just A Coincidence is not quite People Sit on Chairs, it's when you found an idea that has shown up once or twice and has a strong narrative purpose but those are the only examples you or anyone else can come up with.

Oubliette started out as specifically the "personal prison that's a platform surrounded by a bottomless pit" idea as in Kung Fu Panda and Judge Dredd before it was expanded to something that would gather more examples. I recently suggested a trope "Perpetual Foot in Mouth" that is basically Poor Communication Kills in character trope form and I got a decent amount of support, but no one could think of anything past the couple of examples we had.

edited 12th Mar '12 11:09:24 AM by KJMackley

97 DragonQuestZ12th Mar 2012 01:13:08 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Crap. I'm trying to make the ykttw for "No Trope Is Too Common", but a glitch is preventing it from happening. Fortunately there is a thread for it.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
98 DragonQuestZ12th Mar 2012 03:38:35 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Finally got it done. No Trope Is Too Common
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
99 SeptimusHeap12th Mar 2012 03:47:25 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Flagged it, but it's late evening so I can't help much for now.
100 shimaspawn15th Mar 2012 12:14:21 PM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
The redirect Not a Trope seems to be causing a lot of confusion about this page. People seem to think it's the complete and utter explanation of tropiness. It should either be cut or turned into it's own page/index covering things like PSOC, YMMV and Trivia.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick

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