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Ambiguous Name: Non Interactivity get usage counts

edited 26th Jan '13 4:33:49 AM by lu127

What's this about us not spending much time on kids' kids' shows?

edited 20th Sep '12 10:55:52 PM by JMQwilleran

 27 Ironeye, Mon, 24th Sep '12 1:10:16 AM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
With Mod Hat On
No offense to whoever made the crowner (ok, maybe just a little offense wink), but it's a crappy crowner. Page action crowners don't decide the name, they decide whether or not a rename needs to happen. Rename options don't suggest a name. Also, it's missing two key components:
  • Should this trope description be kept as Self-Demonstrating or not? (And if not, should the current version be sent to the Self Demonstrating namespace?)
  • Should this trope be broadened to not just include fake interactivity to get preschoolers involved, should there be a supertrope made to cover the broader situation, or should we just cut the examples that don't fit the current definition?
So, yes, I can call the crowner for you, but I'm not going to pretend that that's going to fix the problems with this page. Are we actually serious about fixing this, or are we just going to get our hand all over it, make a change to say we did something, and call the effort a success?
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
So should we start a new crowner that does have those components?

 29 shoboni, Sun, 14th Oct '12 8:36:00 AM from Iowa, USA
As for Video Game examples, if there's any that use it sarcastically in a cut scene, they should be noted.

And I agree, the name should be more descriptive. "Faux Interactivity" maybe.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 30 Noaqiyeum, Sun, 14th Oct '12 9:47:18 PM from the Shadowlands Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
[up] You beat me to saying that. :P I can imagine there's at least some game out there with a cutscene that pretends to be a quick-time event for fun.
I don't deserve any credit for turning the other cheek as my tongue is always in it. ― Flannery O'Connor
 31 Karjam P, Sat, 20th Oct '12 4:53:44 AM from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
We may need to replace the picture if the trope title would be changed, as the pic contains the trope title.

Dragon Writer
No we wouldn't.
 33 Cider, Thu, 25th Oct '12 2:55:29 PM from Not New York Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
A page only needs fourteen wicks. 35 is well above that. If you want more examples then take it to special efforts or trope talk. Nothing really needs repairing there.

If you want to change the name anyway then go ahead I don't care but health of the page is not an issue.
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 34 shoboni, Thu, 25th Oct '12 8:14:51 PM from Iowa, USA
[up]We're talking about the misuse the trope's catching due to the name.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 35 Spark 9, Sat, 27th Oct '12 1:45:52 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Okay, I've added options to the crowner about limiting this to pre-school shows, and about self-demonstratingness. Please vote on them.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 36 shoboni, Sat, 27th Oct '12 4:38:21 PM from Iowa, USA
I put in a vote for the changing the name.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
Dragon Writer
Me too, Fake Interactivity works better.
I think I kind of like Faux Interactivity a little better because it avoids creating a parallel with Fake Difficulty.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
I like Faux Interactivity also.

 40 Native Jovian, Wed, 19th Dec '12 10:44:31 AM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
I think something like Faux Audience Participation would be better, since noninteractivity/fake interactivity/faux interactivity sounds more like redirects for Controllable Helplessness than anything like the actual trope description.
 41 Noaqiyeum, Thu, 20th Dec '12 2:26:11 AM from the Shadowlands Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
[up] How do you mean? Controllable Helplessness involves genuine interactivity... It's just useless interactivity.
I don't deserve any credit for turning the other cheek as my tongue is always in it. ― Flannery O'Connor
 42 Native Jovian, Thu, 20th Dec '12 6:54:42 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
That's what makes it fake. If you can interact with things such that you can't actually affect any of it, then that would be fake interactivity. Faux/Fake Audience Participation is clearer and more accurate without being particularly wordier.
 43 Another Duck, Thu, 20th Dec '12 8:01:13 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
[up]You can interact with the game and your character. It just doesn't have any effect on whether or not you'll succeed at your task. It's really more similar to some cases of Hopeless Boss Fight. Fake is not the same as useless.

edited 20th Dec '12 8:02:13 PM by AnotherDuck

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 44 Native Jovian, Thu, 20th Dec '12 8:31:03 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
Not literally, no, but if your actions have no effect, then you would be justified in saying that the interactivity is "fake" in the figurative sense.

Regardless, "interactivity" is wider than what the Non-Interactivity trope is actually talking about. Indeed, you could argue that call-and-response is interactive. So I thing using "audience participation" instead of "interactivity" would be better.
 45 Noaqiyeum, Fri, 21st Dec '12 11:01:30 AM from the Shadowlands Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
I can't quite believe I'm saying this, but that seems needlessly pedantic to the point of interfering with successful communication of the idea. 'Audience participation' sounds both more inclusive than 'interactivity' - call-and-response is definitely audience participation - and simultaneously rules out game examples like the 'fake QTE' mentioned before.

edited 21st Dec '12 11:07:54 AM by Noaqiyeum

I don't deserve any credit for turning the other cheek as my tongue is always in it. ― Flannery O'Connor
Dragon Writer
Non-Interactivity is about a work attempting to do be interactive in a media where, by definition, interactivity is impossible. You can't lump it with cases in where the interactivity is cosmetic.
 47 Noaqiyeum, Mon, 24th Dec '12 11:32:26 AM from the Shadowlands Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Is this ready to be called?
I don't deserve any credit for turning the other cheek as my tongue is always in it. ― Flannery O'Connor
 48 lu 127, Mon, 14th Jan '13 1:53:04 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Setting clock for crowner call.

This one has an overarching majority, but there was a suggestion about Faux Interactivity, though the rename option didn't catch on. Is everyone okay with Fake Interactivity?
何も恐れる事わ無い
We could run an alt-titles crowner as a runoff?
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 50 Septimus Heap, Mon, 14th Jan '13 11:37:28 AM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
If you have a runoff between 2 names, it's better to use a Single Prop for runoff.

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