Ambiguous Name: Non Interactivity

What's this about us not spending much time on kids' kids' shows?

edited 20th Sep '12 10:55:52 PM by JMQwilleran

No offense to whoever made the crowner (ok, maybe just a little offense ), but it's a crappy crowner. Page action crowners don't decide the name, they decide whether or not a rename needs to happen. Rename options don't suggest a name. Also, it's missing two key components:

• Should this trope description be kept as Self-Demonstrating or not? (And if not, should the current version be sent to the Self-Demonstrating namespace?)
• Should this trope be broadened to not just include fake interactivity to get preschoolers involved, should there be a supertrope made to cover the broader situation, or should we just cut the examples that don't fit the current definition?

So, yes, I can call the crowner for you, but I'm not going to pretend that that's going to fix the problems with this page. Are we actually serious about fixing this, or are we just going to get our hand all over it, make a change to say we did something, and call the effort a success?

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So should we start a new crowner that does have those components?

As for Video Game examples, if there's any that use it sarcastically in a cut scene, they should be noted.

And I agree, the name should be more descriptive. "Faux Interactivity" maybe.

You beat me to saying that. :P I can imagine there's at least some game out there with a cutscene that pretends to be a quick-time event for fun.

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We may need to replace the picture if the trope title would be changed, as the pic contains the trope title.

No we wouldn't.

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A page only needs fourteen wicks. 35 is well above that. If you want more examples then take it to special efforts or trope talk. Nothing really needs repairing there.

If you want to change the name anyway then go ahead I don't care but health of the page is not an issue.

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We're talking about the misuse the trope's catching due to the name.

Okay, I've added options to the crowner about limiting this to pre-school shows, and about self-demonstratingness. Please vote on them.

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I put in a vote for the changing the name.

Me too, Fake Interactivity works better.

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I think I kind of like Faux Interactivity a little better because it avoids creating a parallel with Fake Difficulty.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

I like Faux Interactivity also.

I think something like Faux Audience Participation would be better, since noninteractivity/fake interactivity/faux interactivity sounds more like redirects for Controllable Helplessness than anything like the actual trope description.

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How do you mean? Controllable Helplessness involves genuine interactivity... It's just useless interactivity.

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That's what makes it fake. If you can interact with things such that you can't actually affect any of it, then that would be fake interactivity. Faux/Fake Audience Participation is clearer and more accurate without being particularly wordier.

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You can interact with the game and your character. It just doesn't have any effect on whether or not you'll succeed at your task. It's really more similar to some cases of Hopeless Boss Fight. Fake is not the same as useless.

edited 20th Dec '12 8:02:13 PM by AnotherDuck

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Not literally, no, but if your actions have no effect, then you would be justified in saying that the interactivity is "fake" in the figurative sense.

Regardless, "interactivity" is wider than what the Non-Interactivity trope is actually talking about. Indeed, you could argue that call-and-response is interactive. So I thing using "audience participation" instead of "interactivity" would be better.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

I can't quite believe I'm saying this, but that seems needlessly pedantic to the point of interfering with successful communication of the idea. 'Audience participation' sounds both more inclusive than 'interactivity' - call-and-response is definitely audience participation - and simultaneously rules out game examples like the 'fake QTE' mentioned before.

edited 21st Dec '12 11:07:54 AM by Noaqiyeum

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Non-Interactivity is about a work attempting to do be interactive in a media where, by definition, interactivity is impossible. You can't lump it with cases in where the interactivity is cosmetic.

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Is this ready to be called?

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Setting clock for crowner call.

This one has an overarching majority, but there was a suggestion about Faux Interactivity, though the rename option didn't catch on. Is everyone okay with Fake Interactivity?

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We could run an alt-titles crowner as a runoff?

Rhymes with "Protracted."

If you have a runoff between 2 names, it's better to use a Single Prop for runoff.

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