Transformers 4?!@Mr AHR I'm sorry, I thought I posted the pothole to How NOT to Write a Novel: They explain it better than I do, but it's when an author uses old well known jokes in their works. Kind of overlaps with the Easy Target Take That: It's not funny anymore writing about how bad was Jar Jar Binks or making fun of Charlie Sheen drug abuse
The problem as I see it isn't so much using old jokes as it is using old jokes and treating them like they're new.
Do Not Go GentleAuthor Avatar Look, I understand why people do it, and there are times when it is highly appropriate. But if your Author Avatar is running round, saving lives, winning battles, and getting the girl, I have no interest in you - especially if I'm paying to read it.
edited 4th Mar '12 11:48:53 PM by Minister
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Obsidian ProboscideanOne of my pet peeves is when people treat me like a beginner simply because they haven't seen my name on the forum that often (or because I haven't gone to the same writing workshops as them). They haven't read my writing and they don't know how long I've actually been there; they just assume I'm new and know less than them (or nothing) because they haven't seen me. And then they continue to treat me that way, even when they are given evidence to the contrary. (Actually, this may be less of a writing thing and more of an "I don't like presumptuous and condescending people" thing.) I also don't like condescending or bossy critiques, or when critics expect a writer to pander to their tastes (for example, if the critic says, "Your story is boring because it doesn't have any fight scenes or explosions, " and it isn't an action-adventure story). These things don't happen to me that much, but it's still kind of annoying when they do. I'm sure the people doing them wouldn't like to be treated that way, so why do they treat others like that?
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Polite smartass.Repetition, when used excessively, drives me nuts. There's a big difference between repeating something for emphasis and needing a damn thesaurus.
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Nostalgia HawkI hate it when there are these one - sentence fragment paragraphs (If you read Neil Gaiman, you probably know what I'm talking about). I mean, I get that it's for emphasis, but it's really annoying when it happens every other remotely suspenseful event in the story.
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Awesome Lightning MantraWell... I do that a lot in very important moments.
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vilent walerI have a similar peeve to Black Elephant's, except it's because I'm younger than most writers I meet on the internet. I understand I'm rather ambitious, even if I were an experienced author, but if you try hard enough, you can accomplish any goal. (unless it's impossible to do within the laws of reality) I don't need people to tell me the basics of writing, because I already know them. I've been writing for three years, and I've picked up a lot of things along the way. It sticks. There are a few older authors who can use your advise even more. Leave me be unless I specifically ask for the tip, or show that I don't know it from my writing. (as you can see, ageism is one of my many pet peeves)
edited 22nd Mar '12 2:43:59 PM by Collen
UniocularBit of a thread hop, but to go back to the discussion on Said Bokisms, Is it bad if you use stuff like "he growled, " that add tone that can't really be made implicit in the text on its own?
vilent walerI think that's fine. It's just when people use overly fancy synonyms that could just be substituted for a simpler word that bugs me. So, it's sort of a mixture of Said Bookism and Purple Prose.
edited 22nd Mar '12 3:32:15 PM by Collen
Shadowed PhilosopherNot sure if I've said this before, but anyone who ever uses 'uttered' or 'quipped' should be shot somewhere painful.
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One of mine that's more a matter of degree then a "I always hate this" peeve: ultra-vague, shadowy "mystery men". By this, I mean villains (though usually that, too, is ambiguous) who show up and drop all kinds of cryptic hints about their motive and backstory without ever going into specifics - you get this a lot in comics. I have actually used characters like this myself occasionally, but when they're too vague for too long a period, they can get really annoying really fast. And it doesn't help that frequently their behavior is just a cover for the writer having no idea where they're going with things anyway.
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Uncle Vernon looked as outraged as if Harry had just uttered a disgusting swearword.Good luck.
I believe they're talking more about things like
"Alice!" uttered Bob.Although Rowling still isn't really someone whose use of "said" verbs you want to emulate.
Writer's Welcome WagonI know. I guess I killed the joke by weaseling it. The copy I took that sentence from had a lot of "muttered".
edited 23rd Mar '12 8:37:19 PM by chihuahua0
Muttered is different... it tells you how someone said something. If you write: "Oh, that's fantastic, " John said. As opposed to "Oh, that's fantastic, " John muttered. It changes the reading of the line.
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Shadowed PhilosopherThings that convey tone or emotion are fine, though you still don't want to overuse them. (I personally tend to attempt to avoid dialog tags altogether, but they're sometimes unavoidable.) My annoyance at 'uttered' specifically (and yes, I have no objection to using it as a general verb in context, it's using it as a dialog tag that bugs me) stems from a certain book that, in retrospect, I'm not precisely sure how I got all the way through, which felt the need to use it twice per page where 'said' or no tag would have worked perfectly well.
Shinigan (Naruto fanfic)
Welcome, traveller, welcome to OmskFully agree with this. Dialogue tags other than "said" should be used when they actually convey information to the reader, as opposed to being just decoration.
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