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This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"

Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.

If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces instead.

    Original OP: 
I busy myself with moving works off of Main/ and I've encountered a number of cases where I can't decide to which namespace something should go. Some of these questions may have been asked before, but there seems to be no general reference point for namespace issues. Maybe this could become a sticky thread for all media-namespace related questions?

For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:

  • #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
  • #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
  • #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
  • #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
  • #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
  • #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
  • #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
  • #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
  • #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
  • #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.

I'd be grateful for input.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM

ElfinGib Since: Jun, 2016
#1176: Oct 13th 2016 at 7:54:13 AM

Oh, so your saying that in a way namespaces are permanent, right?

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#1177: Oct 13th 2016 at 7:56:24 AM

Unless the article in that namespace is cut. But namespaces are a part of the structure of the wiki. Your approval of them is not germane to this policy.

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ElfinGib Since: Jun, 2016
#1178: Oct 13th 2016 at 8:00:58 AM

Oh I see. It's just that there might be mistakes that need to be fixed for the name spaces, that's all.

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#1179: Oct 13th 2016 at 8:03:26 AM

As you have yet to say what those are, I can't really help you.

Edit: If you are referring to the Literature header in Psycho, that is there because the novel Psycho, by Robert Block, was adapted into the film, so it is a valid use of alternate medium redirects.

If someone wanted to make an article for the novel, they would break the redirect and edit Psycho directly. If this resulted in subpage collisions, then the articles would be hard split between Psycho 1959 and Psycho 1960.

edited 13th Oct '16 8:08:40 AM by Fighteer

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ElfinGib Since: Jun, 2016
#1180: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:39:03 AM

Some light novels are listed as light novels AND literature. Don't you think this is a bit redundant, espeacially with arguments that those mediums are distinct? Same issue with visual novels and video games for ace attorney.

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#1181: Oct 13th 2016 at 11:13:02 AM

Those redirects are to capture links that people make in the alternative medium namespace. Nothing wrong with them.

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#1182: Dec 12th 2016 at 7:21:58 AM

Not sure if this is the best place to bring this up, but is there a reason why Literature.The Eugenics Wars A Brief History isn't in Fan Fic?

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#1183: Dec 12th 2016 at 8:01:33 AM

Because written works from that website are typically put into Literature. And honestly, I'd be inclined to put fanfics there as well.

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#1184: Dec 12th 2016 at 8:18:13 AM

You mean putting fanfics into Literature? Ultimately, we ought to be organizing them by medium, not derivative status, but the necessary structures to implement that won't exist until 2.0.

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#1185: Dec 12th 2016 at 8:29:13 AM

Best I can tell, it's a derivative work told via message board posts. I cannot begin to fathom why that's not a fanfic.

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#1187: Dec 13th 2016 at 1:17:08 AM

I made a page for an Inside Out fanfic (troper-written). Should I keep it as Troper Works/title or as Fanfic/title? If it is the latter, can I make a new page, copy over everything, and leave the old one a redirect?

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#1188: Dec 13th 2016 at 1:18:29 AM

Use FanFic/, yes. Only if it's text based, though, otherwise put it into the appropriate namespaces.

edited 13th Dec '16 1:18:54 AM by SeptimusHeap

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#1189: Dec 13th 2016 at 1:26:37 AM

Thanks...now to add more examples to the grand totale of 1 and figure out the redirect code! Also, is it bad from a spoiler point of view for the author to do the nightmare fuel, awesome, funny etc sections?

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#1190: Dec 13th 2016 at 1:30:58 AM

It is bad for the author to add YMMV items, yes, but only that. Also, gratuitous cross-namespace redirects are frowned upon.

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#1191: Jan 29th 2017 at 2:07:20 PM

Hey, guys.

I made a page for Gogona da Tovlis Gunda ("The Girl and Snowball"), an obscure Georgian cartoon, and put it in the "Asian Animation" namespace, which is incorrect.

I have made an "Animation" namespace for the page, so that's done, but does anyone know how to take down specific namespaces for a page without losing the entire article?

(As in, taking down the "Asian Animation" namespace without losing the "Animation" namespace, in this case. Also, the link I gave you is in the "Animation" namespace.)

edited 29th Jan '17 2:17:39 PM by SparkPlugTheTroper

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#1192: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:16:28 PM

Someone made a page for a script reading (Panel.Twisted Toonz). Assuming the article can be made into something more than a stub, should such an article go under Script/, a different namespace, or nowhere (that is, do we trope script readings)?

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#1193: Apr 30th 2017 at 4:38:02 AM

I am in the process of creating the work page for the latest Ghibli animation The Red Turtle and was wondering if it should go under Anime or Western Animation? It's a co-production of Ghibli and a European studio and looks nothing like anime.

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#1194: Apr 30th 2017 at 6:46:04 AM

Being Animesque is not a relevant factor. Production house is not a relevant factor. This site determines media categorization based on initial broad release. France wins, it goes in Western Animation.

edited 30th Apr '17 6:46:53 AM by crazysamaritan

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#1196: May 6th 2017 at 8:21:19 PM

It seems I dun goofed—I made a page for the Homestuck fan comic Homestuck Act Omega, but put it in a "FanFiction" namespace instead of the correct "Fanfic" namespace. Can anyone helped me move it? The PM I got about it said this was the place to go.

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#1197: May 6th 2017 at 8:56:10 PM

[up] This is really the thread for discussing which namespace a work should use (and sometimes, whether we need a new namespace, though it's been a while since we've done that). The message you got should have sent you to How to Move a Page.

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#1199: Oct 23rd 2017 at 10:58:48 AM

I've made a page for Lost In Vegas in the VideoGame namespace, but now I'm feeling it should be moved to the VisualNovel namespace, since it features lots of reading and no actual gameplay outside of picking choices.

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edited 23rd Oct '17 11:35:42 AM by Fighteer

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