This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
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In fact, cutting it is the recommended solution, since we don't do new Main/ redirects anymore.
Septimus Heap from Ask The Tropers recommended me to ask the following question here.
I have launched Tantei Team KZ Jiken Note, but have some problem regarding its media categorization.
It's based on a series of children's novels, so strictly speaking it belongs to the Literature/ namespace, and I launched it as such. But since the original material is unlikely to be translated into any other language (even unofficially), the only way an English speaker would have heard of this series is from its anime adaptation. Should the "light novel treatment" in Administrivia.Media Categories FAQ be applied to this work such that on trope pages its examples is categorized under Anime rather than Literature?
edited 13th Nov '15 3:01:01 AM by SamCurt
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I don't see the "light novel treatment" mentioned on Administrivia.Media Categories FAQ, so Light Novels should be in a Light Novel category, and Tantei Team KZ Jiken Note should be in a Literature category.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
By "the light novel treatment," I mean the unwritten rule in this wiki that light novels, despite having its own namespace and is closer to literature as a media type, is filed under Anime in trope pages. This is due to the fact most English speakers know most light novels through their anime adaptations.
In the present case, I consider the work in question should likewise be categorized as Anime, rather than Literature, in trope pages due to exactly the same reason. However, I would like to make sure if my understanding is correct before I start cross-wicking.
FYI—this work is namespaced as Literature, since the source material is literature. The question here is categorization.
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And you will sometimes encounter Light Novels in the "Anime, Light Novel, and Manga" category, and sometimes find them in the "Light Novel" category.
But you will never find a Literature example in an "Anime and Manga" category. I'll note that some tropes are not possible in the original medium (Eye Catch), and it should be fine to post the example in the Anime category for that reason.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
Hmmm. Where to put fictional universes that consist of a series of artworks on DeviantArt, like many of these? That aren't published as books or any other format. The closest we have is Webcomic/ but they're not necessarily comics. Art/ seems unsatisfactory too.
Also, the old discussion about FaceRig got buried under a lot of others, so if I shouldn't be necroing a long-dead discussion, I won't. But the Face Rig page was never created and I'd like it to exist, so is it okay if we restart it?
edited 5th Dec '15 1:03:44 PM by Lymantria
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but it there a way to search only in one particular namespace?
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There is no such function, unfortunately.
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So VideoGame.Aikatsu has a problem. The page Anime.Aikatsu is a redirect, but most of the tropes are about the anime version instead of the Video Game. Can we split them?
edited 20th Jan '16 5:50:04 PM by hamza678
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Absolutely
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
Well, no one's responded to my post yet. Also:
- When Sandbox.Trope Pantheons officially gets launched, what namespace will it go in? No existing namespace seems appropriate...
If you're troping something on this wiki, Web Original/ is probably the most appropriate.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
Speaking of WebOriginal, looking at this list, most of the pages on it are ghost wicks that have since been moved to more appropriate namespaces. Other than that, we have:
- Several OCTs that will probably soon be moved to Roleplay/ since that namespace was decided for them in the suggesting new namespaces thread.
- Abandoned By Disney and Captains Log - Shouldn't these be in Literature/?
- Protectors of the Plot Continuum - I don't know where to namespace this, because the page doesn't actually say what kind of work it is.
- Memes like Lolcats - As mentioned many, many times before in this thread, we'll probably never have a Meme/ namespace because We Are Not Know Your Meme?
- OS-tan and Vine
- Holidays Academy -
I can't think of any good namespace for thisThis could probably go in Roleplay/, but it also needs the character entries moved to a Characters/ page. I've put it on More Like A Footnote Than Anything Else until we find a better index for it, since it was previously unindexed.
Anyway, according to Namespace, the WebOriginal namespace is deprecated. Are we going to indefinitely use it, or will all works in it eventually be moved?
edited 31st Jan '16 5:31:28 PM by Lymantria
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Hello, I'm wanting to create a "works" page for "High Rollers", a Dungeons & Dragons campaign that is livestreamed weekly on Twitch (episodes get uploaded to Youtube 1-2 days later), but I'm not sure under what namespace it belongs. Critical Role, arguably one of the most well-known online D&D campaigns, is under "Web Video" but I've seen a lot under "Podcast" as well. Which should I pick? Or is there a better namespace I might've overlooked?
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Edit: Nevermind, wrong thread.
edited 30th Jul '16 9:53:25 AM by TotemicHero
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So we have Literature.Gossip Girl. And yes, it began as a series of books. However, the page is explicitly troping the TV show, not the books.
Wouldn't it make more sense to have the main page be Series.Gossip Girl and Literature/ be the redirect until someone makes a page for the books?
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Is there a way of DELETING namespaces on existing threads for any reason, or are namespaces permanent?
Lost in Space
First explain why you would want to, and cite a specific article where you feel the presence of a namespace in the header is wrong, and we can have a discussion.
edited 11th Oct '16 3:29:58 PM by Fighteer
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I think maybe the page for Psycho should just be film as it is listed under literature as well but the film eclipses the book. I'm not 100% certain if I want to change it, though. I'm just curious about whether or not namespaces can b deleted.
Lost in Space
Where a work exists in multiple media, we create the article in the most well-known or most popular medium, then create redirects from the other(s). This helps with linking and searching.
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I just wonder if there's a way of deleting redirect namespaces, that's all.
Lost in Space
Cutting the article (or redirect) removes the namespace in the header, sure. But we won't do that for alternative media redirects, because having those is part of our policy.
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You can also add the Main/ page to the Cut List.
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