TV Tropes Org

Forums

search forum titles
google site search
Total posts: [1,027]  1  2  3
4
 5  6  7  8  9 ... 42

Media namespaces -- a battery of questions:

This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"

Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.

If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces instead.
Original OP: 

edited 22nd Jul '13 6:47:29 AM by Willbyr

True enough, but some people do view actors like that. Could very easily compare singers to instruments, and then there are vocaloids... on that note. Where does that go?

All creators are "just" part of how a work is made. There are no (published) works that are made by a single person. Actors are part of it, directors are part of it, writers are part of it, producers are part of it, studios are part of it, advertisers are part of it, production crews are part of it..."Creator" can encompass all of those things. And as far as our mission is concerned, we should be treating all of those roles pretty much the same way, so it makes sense to lump them together.

Whereas if we went with People/, we'd have a namespace that encompasses a mix of Tropes (e.g. Santa Claus), Useful Notes (e.g. Theodore Roosevelt), Works (e.g. The Undertaker), and Creators (e.g. George R. R. Martin). That's awkwardly ambiguous. Much better to stick with Creator/ so the role of the page is clear.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
I disagree but, for tvtropes, creator/ is fine enough. There's a creator/ discussion now too.

Would anybody be opposed if I moved vocaloid to Useful Notes? Currently under music/ but it's not really and it's not creator/ because it's not human.

 79 Septimus Heap, Tue, 13th Mar '12 7:14:33 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
It's fundamentally tech. Yes, you can move it to /UsefulNotes/, but note that companies are still candidates for /Creator/

I never said companies weren't creators. If we're still talking about vocaloids (I'm a bit lost here, sorry), then that's not really about a company since they aren't all made by the same people. It's more like having a page on violins than luthiers (aka. people who make violins and other string instruments).

EDIT: Web Animation - is it having a separate namespace or going to stay under weboriginal/?

EDIT 2: Are all of the sports going under Useful Notes? (just double checking this)

EDIT 3: Websites, where do they go?

edited 16th Mar '12 9:34:27 AM by Jicragg

 81 Servbot, Fri, 16th Mar '12 8:16:00 PM Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Do we have anything that works for audio dramas in the drama cd form? They aren't radio.

Hi, would like to second this query. I know of at least one works page that's currently stuck in Main (StrikerS Sound Stage X) since, when we were migrating the rest of the franchise, we found that there was a lack of a namespace for Audio Dramas / Audio Plays that aren't in radio form.

edited 16th Mar '12 8:17:13 PM by Servbot

 82 Earl of Sandvich, Wed, 21st Mar '12 1:43:45 PM from the Palouse Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
That's Detective Gumshoe to you, pal!
One more: What would a band/singer fall under: Creator/ or Music/?

It has been extensively used in the latter, with YMMVs covering their musical outputs rather than the individuals themselves. I did see one band get redirected to the Creator/ namespace, so I'm just wondering...

edited 21st Mar '12 2:07:43 PM by EarlOfSandvich

Status of possible Fallout RP idea: Thinking of and open to new ideas.

Just feelin' like a casual chat? My PM box is ALWAYS open!
Music/ is the correct namespace for a band's work page. They can have a Creator/ page as well; it should be separate.

edited 21st Mar '12 2:05:33 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 84 Willbyr, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:26:39 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Tool was moved to the Creator namespace; was that the one you were thinking of?
 85 Earl of Sandvich, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:36:15 PM from the Palouse Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
That's Detective Gumshoe to you, pal!
Yeah, that's the one. That's why I asked.

Still, as far as YMMVs go, I think they should be fine as long as it concerns musical output rather than the individual/band itself.

edited 21st Mar '12 2:38:03 PM by EarlOfSandvich

Status of possible Fallout RP idea: Thinking of and open to new ideas.

Just feelin' like a casual chat? My PM box is ALWAYS open!
I thought we were moving artists to creator/ because they're creators... What the heck are we doing with them then?

Music/ is the correct namespace for a work page for a band. Creator/ is the correct namespace for a creator page for an artist. So, for example, Music.Miley Cyrus should cover the tropes used in Miley Cyrus's music, and anything about her career as an actress should go on Creator.Miley Cyrus.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 88 Willbyr, Wed, 21st Mar '12 6:30:23 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Interesting...so, should the same intro be on both pages for a band?
 89 Earl of Sandvich, Wed, 21st Mar '12 6:31:59 PM from the Palouse Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
That's Detective Gumshoe to you, pal!
Oh, and: Music.The Beatles should still remain in the Music/ namespace while individual members go to Creator/, yes?
Status of possible Fallout RP idea: Thinking of and open to new ideas.

Just feelin' like a casual chat? My PM box is ALWAYS open!
[up] That's right, although they can have individual Music/ pages for their solo careers.

[up][up] Copy-pasting seems sketchy. Probably not the way to go.

edited 21st Mar '12 6:36:06 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 91 Earl of Sandvich, Wed, 21st Mar '12 7:05:13 PM from the Palouse Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
That's Detective Gumshoe to you, pal!
So what to do then... leave the descriptions to the work page while still allowing the tropes (as applied to the band's members) on the creator page?
Status of possible Fallout RP idea: Thinking of and open to new ideas.

Just feelin' like a casual chat? My PM box is ALWAYS open!
As far as I know, there are no musicians that are currently split this way.

But it's really not any different from any other creator. Creator.Bruce Springsteen is to Music.Bruce Springsteen as George R. R. Martin is to A Song of Ice and Fire. The only difference is that the creator and the work happen to have the same name.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
I really don't think we should have Creator.Justin Bieber, though - considering how much of a Hatedom he has. This is gonna be a tough one to figure out. I remember, awhile back, there was a policy set in place to not include stuff about the musicians on the Musician - which, I believe, was extended to include the YMMV/ namespace. So, the question is, where do we draw the line?

edited 21st Mar '12 7:49:08 PM by movie007

 
Just treat it the same as you'd treat any other creator page. Avoid YMMV stuff, and whatnot.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Right, okay, fair enough (thanks for the explanation). Should this be something with have the wrestler/ namespace, where it doesn't say much about the actor themself. Should there be creator/DwayneJohnson and wrestler/TheRock?

EDIT: So for creators that don't have separate pages for all of their works, we're still putting them on creator/ right?

edited 22nd Mar '12 7:21:29 AM by Jicragg

 96 Septimus Heap, Thu, 22nd Mar '12 7:21:01 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
No, I don't think we need to split a wrestler between his persona and his actor. If he's a creator for something else, you can make a separate page for that, but it won't have anything to do with wrestling other than "Is also a wrestler"

But Dwayne Johnson is also an actor.

I wasn't suggesting we do it with all wrestlers, just those with a separate non-wrestling career.

edited 22nd Mar '12 7:23:33 AM by Jicragg

 98 Fighteer, Thu, 22nd Mar '12 7:29:01 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
You could do Creator.Dwayne Johnson and Wrestler.The Rock, as those are separate personas.
Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
According to this, we currently have 5, 549 creator pages - so I guess we have that much to be moved to the Creator/ namespace. If we're gonna be creating Creator/ namespace pages for Real Life tropes of recording artists, then should their Music/ namespace counterparts be moved from the "creator" page type to "works" page type?

edited 22nd Mar '12 8:03:34 AM by movie007

 
 100 Fighteer, Thu, 22nd Mar '12 8:06:01 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Watch it. People don't have Real Life tropes. I think you're getting some things confused. A Creator page has the same elements as a Work page because the purpose of such pages is to document the person's work. We don't care about their real lives; they are not relevant to the wiki.

For the purposes of a musician who is solely affiliated with their work, then having a separate Creator page is redundant. The only time you'd want a separate article is if the person has a significant body of work not related to their musical career.

For example, if we have Music.Rush, then that is about the band and their work. It discusses the band's members. Having a Creator.Geddy Lee article is pointless if the only thing we have to say about him is that he's a member of Music.Rush. Well, maybe it could serve as a redirect.

As a counterexample, Creator.Paul Mc Cartney makes sense to have as a separate article because his work has not just been about Music.The Beatles.

edited 22nd Mar '12 8:08:21 AM by Fighteer

Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
Total posts: 1,027
 1  2  3
4
 5  6  7  8  9 ... 42


TV Tropes by TV Tropes Foundation, LLC is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org.
Privacy Policy