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Media namespaces -- a battery of questions:

This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"

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Original OP: 

edited 22nd Jul '13 6:47:29 AM by Willbyr

Seeking for Light
[up][up] They would go in Website/, I would think.

 252 Septimus Heap, Sun, 24th Jun '12 12:00:21 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up]LOLCats isn't a Website, unless I am getting something very wrong. Nor are other memes websites.

Chuck Norris Facts goes to Website.Chuck Norris Facts. LOLCats probably goes to Memes.Something Awful.

edited 24th Jun '12 12:06:28 PM by SeptimusHeap

Seeking for Light
[up] I see. I was assuming that Lol Cats=I Can Has Cheezburger, but looking at the pages, I see that's not strictly the case. But why would you suggest Memes.Something Awful for its location? What does it have to do with SA?

EDIT: And, considering that the page is mostly about I Can Has Cheezburger tropes (or ones found there; I'm not really familiar with Lol Cats outside of that site), it could possibly be moved to Website.I Can Has Cheezburger.

edited 24th Jun '12 12:19:48 PM by Nocturna

 254 Septimus Heap, Sun, 24th Jun '12 12:21:30 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up]Because I confused it with Image Macros. These come from SA (but they are tropes so they could stay on /Main/)

Almost everyone listed on Recorded and Stand-Up Comedy is still in Main. Where do they go, under Creators?

Or could we have a namespace for them specifically? Comedy/, Stand-up comedy/...

edited 26th Jun '12 8:00:02 AM by Fresison

Quid autem coelo pulchrius, nempe quod continet pulchra omnia?
In uffish thought
I'd put them in Creator/ — we don't have a specific namespace for Actor/ or Author/, so I see no reason to make one here; if we separate people like that, there'll be far too many namespaces. Comedians create a show for people.

edited 26th Jun '12 8:05:29 AM by Telcontar

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 257 Troacctid, Tue, 26th Jun '12 8:27:52 AM from California
Can't go in creator because they're work pages. Creator/ is only for creator pages.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
In uffish thought
As in their page type is "work"? Going through A-D, those which aren't in Music/ or Radio/ (and therefore typed as "work") are all "creator", except Bill Engvall and Cheech And Chong. They're written as creator pages, too.
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 259 Troacctid, Tue, 26th Jun '12 8:55:52 AM from California
The page that documents the tropes used in their stand-up is a work page. They can have a creator page too if necessary.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 260 videogmer 314, Tue, 26th Jun '12 11:45:23 AM from that one place Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
[up] So... what namespace would they go in, if not Creator/?

[up] Like I said, I think there should be a Comedy/ namespace. The tropes are all about their stage personas. If that's not an option, maybe Theatre/ ? They perform on stage after all.
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 262 Troacctid, Tue, 26th Jun '12 4:20:00 PM from California
[up][up] Yep that's the question.

I don't know if they fit in theatre. Even if they did, it would leave the question of what to do with recorded spoken comedy. Prolly just toss em in a new namespace like StandUp/.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 263 Septimus Heap, Wed, 27th Jun '12 9:10:29 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
[up] It's a game, so it should be Just for Fun/, I suppose.
It's perfectly possible to admire building a cannon to destroy the moon, whilst lamenting the act of destruction.
I like Just for Fun, since it's a game, not an actual trope.

In uffish thought
What do we do with Original Character Tournaments, specifically Trinity Tourney OCT? It might go under "webcomic", but I really can't tell.
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@252: I'm going to go ahead and move Chuck Norris Facts to Website/ then.

The problem is that sometimes it's being used for Chuck Norris himself, sometimes it's for the website, and sometimes it's for Memetic Badassness in the style of the website itself, and I'm not certain how to deal with all this.

edited 27th Jun '12 1:50:27 PM by DarkConfidant

Should OELManga.Serenity be moved to the ComicBook/ namespace?
 
Is there a particular standard for whether or not a series that is both literature and later adapted to animation goes under which namespace? I don't understand why Arthur was put in western animation and Franklin was put in literature, even though Franklin is pretty much just as much adaptation displaced.

For that matter, the decision on such things seems to be pretty hodgepodge - for example, Max and Ruby is under western animation even though it started as books and Babar is under literature, even though a strong argument could be made in favor of animation, with at least two film and two different television series, one of them a recent CGI offering.

edited 1st Jul '12 12:08:38 AM by JMQwilleran

When different incarnations of the same series are covered on the same page, the page should be in the namespace of the original work's medium (source). For the adaptations in other media, redirects should be added (e.g. WesternAnimation.Babar as a redirect to Literature.Babar). Sometimes it's useful to soft-split the trope list between original and adaptation.

Means that Arthur and Max and Ruby should be probably moved to the Literature/ namespace.

The exceptions are when the original and the adaptation have their individual, separate pages, when a page definitely only covers the adapted version, or when a series comprises enough individual works to qualify for the Franchise/ namespace.

edited 1st Jul '12 1:18:15 AM by LordGro

It's perfectly possible to admire building a cannon to destroy the moon, whilst lamenting the act of destruction.
Is it possible that any of those could qualify for "Franchise"? For example, both Arthur and Franklin are absolutely massive in the number of books that are available, both in their original series and their "extended universe." And they've also spawned film releases and stage shows, as well as the usual merchandise.

Sorry, I don't know which standards the wiki has for when works get a Franchise/ page. I'm not even sure there was ever a definite agreement...

In any case, a Franchise/ page doesn't mean the whole Franchise has to be covered by one page; they can serve as portals to the other adaptations/incarnations of the series which have their own pages.

A whole other question: Where would fan-made films like Damnatus go? Film/ ?
It's perfectly possible to admire building a cannon to destroy the moon, whilst lamenting the act of destruction.
I wanna make a work page for Ame-Comi Girls. It's a dc comic series based off a line of statuettes. I'm not sure what namespace I should use though. Comicbook, franchise, or something else?

 274 jkbeta, Fri, 13th Jul '12 10:41:28 AM from right behind you Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
If we have just the comics, Comicbook. Franchise is for larger things; I think it was discussed that just two media forms (e.g., film + tie-in novel) is usually not sufficient.

In uffish thought
I can't find much info about them. Judging by what you say and how they're not mentioned on Wikipedia that I can see, I wouldn't call it a franchise; ComicBook/ should be fine.
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