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Needs Help: Lightning Bruiser get usage counts

 226 Septimus Heap, Sun, 9th Dec '12 11:19:59 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Given that we aren't seeking new examples, it doesn't make any difference.

Flower Fairy
Alright, I've drafted a proposed definition here. I used that triangle since it's the only effective way to display the "comparative" nature of the description I propose.

EDIT: Added my proposal to the crowner.

But if that doesn't work and we still can't agree on it 

edited 9th Dec '12 8:25:44 PM by WaxingName

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...can still bite
For the sake of clarity, can we please drop that page image, or at least alter it to be more accurate? I don't like the idea of using strength and toughness as synonyms for offense and defense which have a much broader definition. We should be consistently using the same terminology throughout the trope.

 229 Septimus Heap, Tue, 11th Dec '12 12:50:32 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up]Images are an Image Picking job. And the crowner's not over yet.

Flower Fairy
[up][up]Done. The page image will be dropped until further notice.

edited 11th Dec '12 4:46:11 AM by WaxingName

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Flower Fairy
Is the ratio of the crowner good enough to call?
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Flower Fairy
Alright, the ratio is unambiguously good enough to call. I'm hollering to call again.
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 233 blackcat, Thu, 13th Dec '12 6:38:52 PM Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Calling the crowner, but the new description needs work.

Rather than starting out with a paragraph listing all of the the things that the Lightning Bruiser is not, it would be clearer to start with a description of a Lightning Bruiser. Then jump into the comparisons.

The description is heavily weighted toward gaming but there are examples from other media. It would help if we could make the description less media specific.

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Flower Fairy
How is it now?

Also, I'll need help taking out the bad examples.

edited 13th Dec '12 8:32:38 PM by WaxingName

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 235 blackcat, Fri, 14th Dec '12 7:03:48 AM Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Redrafted the description.[1]

edited 14th Dec '12 8:21:13 AM by blackcat

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Flower Fairy
[up]Looks good: I'll instate the new description.

EDIT: The new description is in place. I won't have time to get down every bad example, so I'll still need help.

edited 14th Dec '12 11:24:53 AM by WaxingName

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Flower Fairy
I'm just thinking of resetting the page. The vast majority of examples don't even state give the new in-universe part of this trope.
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 238 blackcat, Fri, 14th Dec '12 1:36:05 PM Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
I think a reset is a bit extreme. The in-universe phrase is intended to guide people away from adding bad examples, that doesn't mean we erase the board and start all over.
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Flower Fairy
[up]Alright then.

I'll focus on the examples page itself (it's nearing the deadly 500000 in characters, so that will help greatly).

Perhaps we need Special Efforts to check up on wicks.
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...can still bite
I changed the "attack" and "defense" references to "strength" and "toughness". We need to be consistent with our terminology. Other than that, the description looks good.

edited 14th Dec '12 3:56:38 PM by shiro_okami

Flower Fairy
It looks like we need Special Efforts to clean this up. The page is just too big for me to handle alone, and I am unable to fix most of the examples to make it conform to the definition we hammered out. The most I can do is just mesh all of the examples together.
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 242 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Dec '12 7:50:29 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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If an example doesn't seem to fit the new definition, just pull it to the discussion page.

Flower Fairy
[up]I'd like to do that, but from look at the whole page, the vast majority of examples don't conform to the new description. And I can't fix most of them because I've never seen most of the works the examples are in.
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 244 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Dec '12 8:15:15 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I would use the discussion page regardless - collecting opinions that rely on knowledge of the show for a whole lot of examples is extremely difficult. That's just my take though.

 245 Troacctid, Sat, 15th Dec '12 2:00:33 PM from California
Pretty sure the whole Hard-Hitting Speedsters section can be cut completely. So there's a start.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 246 blackcat, Sun, 16th Dec '12 6:41:59 AM Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
I cleaned up a bunch of third level bullets.
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Flower Fairy
[up][up]Actually, all of those sections are best merged together.
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Flower Fairy
[up]I did the above and now all of the soft-split sections are merged together (Notepad with word wrap turned off made this go a lot quicker and easier).
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Flower Fairy
I deleted a lot of examples. I plan to do some more later.

Also, can someone work on cleaning up the wicks?
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 250 Marq FJA, Sat, 22nd Dec '12 2:17:30 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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I would like to note that someone created Stronger Than They Look in late Novemeber without consulting the YKTTW draft at all. Just because said draft had gone dormant for three months is no excuse for someone to unilaterally create an article on their own, especially when they didn't even bother using the draft's material, right?
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