Integrate Literature Examples: Science Fantasy get usage counts
Deadlock Clock: 27th Feb 2012 11:59:00 PM

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[up]Sounds like a plan to me.
27 Ekuran14th Mar 2012 04:34:07 PM from somewhere. , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Hi.
Ugh.

We've got so much work to do.

...but the priiize.

edited 14th Mar '12 4:35:16 PM by Ekuran

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The main problem in cleaning up the wicks is that Science Fiction Versus Fantasy was being used for a lot of things. Useful things to replace links:

It does help that lots of the links are already potholes labeled Science Fantasy.

edited 16th Mar '12 1:16:57 AM by BrentLaabs

Hey guys... What are we going to do about Wizards from Outer Space?

Merge? Or keep it as a subtrope?

Of course, it was at the bottom of the list, so I just now clicked on it.
30 Ekuran19th Mar 2012 06:38:13 PM from somewhere. , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Hi.
It seems to be about Fantasy with Sci-Fi sugar coating, so I'm guessing we should merge, although I don't particularly like doing that. Merges and cutting always feel like I'm ripping someones hard-earned efforts away from them.
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Okay, the wicks are pretty much cleaned up. I've moved and rewritten several of the sections from Science Fiction Versus Fantasy. Some sections should not be moved due to being weak or non-examples: Fan Works, Web Animation, and Real Life.

These categories still need to be moved to Science Fantasy: Comic Books, Literature, and Video Games (and Other?). Since I'm really out of my depth on those categories, can someone else finish up?
32 Ekuran24th Mar 2012 12:21:20 PM from somewhere. , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Hi.
Yeah, I can handle those.
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33 ccoa28th Mar 2012 09:03:55 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
How are things going? Are we done here?
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
34 Ekuran28th Mar 2012 11:22:08 AM from somewhere. , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Hi.
The literature section's examples are somewhat difficult for me to alter so that they can fit Science Fantasy, particularly since I don't know much about the books in it. Someone who does know more about them should probably be the one to transfer them.

Other than that, though, I think we're good.
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Yeah, I've heard of many of the literature works, but haven't actually read them. And some of them don't have trope pages to begin with.

[up]I'm still around, if you want me to help with the rewrite, but it sounds like I'm as lost as you are.
Seeking for Light
I've read the first two under literature: Anne McCaffrey's works definitely count. As for Codex Alera . . . I'm really not sure why it's on the list; it's fantasy through and through.

I'll shift the McCaffrey stuff.
Should I just move the literature section into Sandbox.Science Fantasy, so we can delete it as we go through it? It's a huge section, and it's the only thing holding up the page redirect.
38 ccoa28th Mar 2012 09:28:21 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Sounds like a plan. I'll take a look through it when I get a chance, I might see some I recognize.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
39 Xtifr29th Mar 2012 05:59:33 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
I just moved several over from the sandbox, and deleted the Vorkosigan Saga one which really doesn't fit (a feudal society for a former Lost Colony does not equal fantasy).
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Shameless bump. We have a new thread title, so people know that they can help out by transferring books that they know from Sandbox.Science Fantasy to Main.Science Fantasy.

Once it gets low enough, I'll clean up the rest of them myself.
What is the relationship between Science Fantasy and New Weird? To me New Weird seems like Science Fantasy with horror and post modernism added.
I think that New Weird is a genre that likes to take Speculative Fiction tropes and deconstruct them heavily. Its a work that doesn't want to be classified as Science Fiction or Fantasy. It may only include traditionally fantasy tropes in an Urban Fantasy setting, anyway.

Science Fantasy works revel in including all sorts of scifi and fantasy tropes, and even if it's deconstructed, it's more of an Affectionate Parody. The deconstruction and intent thereof make a big difference here. Science Fantasy can be Sci-Fi Kitchen Sink + Fantasy Kitchen Sink, where that seems very unlikely for New Weird.

Not that I've read any of the New Weird stuff. I've got a copy of American Gods lying around here somewhere, it must be time to get it out.

Oh yeah, keep looking through the examples on Sandbox.Science Fantasy, everyone.
43 Ekuran7th May 2012 02:34:25 PM from somewhere. , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Hi.
So, Escher said

"Removed: Fantasy Kitchen Sink is the version of this trope without science fiction, Sci-Fi Kitchen Sink is the version without fantasy.

No, it isn't. Fantasy Kitchen Sink is where you have all kinds of fantasy from dragons to Dreamtime all in the same universe together every legend and story from our world is coexisting in this universe.

Removing the scifi from science fantasy leaves you with regular fantasy, not a mix of every possible fantasy trope ever."

I'm inclined to believe them. Science Fantasy doesn't necessarily have to have all fantasy and/or scifi tropes in it. I think we should cut that part out.

edited 7th May '12 2:36:31 PM by Ekuran

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I mainly restored it because they're related tropes, and should both be mentioned in the description somewhere. (Besides, Sci-Fi Kitchen Sink is really underwicked, to the extent that removing it here is a 9% reduction in wicks.) I'm starting to think that Planet Eris is closer to the sinks anyway, in ways that TRS has yet to determine.

Change it to a compare statement?
45 ccoa12th Jun 2012 09:07:55 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Are we done here?
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Science Fiction Versus Fantasy is currently a redirect to Science Fantasy with no wicks on the main wiki, so I guess we must be done. Did we miss anything?
Rhymes with "Protracted."
47 Xtifr12th Jun 2012 01:50:02 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
There's still the examples in Sandbox.Science Fantasy that either need to be moved or deleted. That could be taken to special efforts, though. There's several quite well-known works left on the list that I would do if I were personally familiar with them.

(Actually, I am familiar with the Cthulhu Mythos, but I'm not quite sure the best way to handle it. Basically, it started as pure science fiction—by the standards of the time—but later authors—especially Derleth—moved it into the realm of science fantasy.)
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Why not just put exactly that in the example?
49 ccoa13th Jun 2012 06:36:26 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Why not put the remaining ones in discussion? This thread has gone stale (no activity in one month) twice now - it's clear that people in the TRS don't know what to do with the remaining examples or don't care.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
50 SeptimusHeap13th Jun 2012 10:52:54 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up]I've put them on the Science Fantasy discussion page.

Are we ready for closure?

Page Action: Science Fiction Versus Fantasy
15th Feb '12 6:34:11 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
Science Fiction Versus Fantasy at present combines two purposes.

On the one hand, it is a rather lengthy essay comparing the two genres, and eventually transitioning into mention of the fact that some works combine elements from both. Some have argued that the description make the purpose of the page unclear and would be more appropriate for an Analysis/ or Useful Notes style page.

On the other hand, it is collecting examples of works that combine the two genres.

According to The Other Wiki, the term used for stories that do this is Science Fantasy, which is currently a redirect.

At present, there is a Science Fantasy trope being proposed in YKTTW; however it has been put on hold pending a decision on what to do with this trope.

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