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Split: Will get usage counts

When I saw this while fixing up The Cat and the Canary to include information on the play, something struck me as wrong that the word "will" should be linked. There are plots about wills, but wills themselves aren't a trope. It's a straightforward case of People Sit In Chairs.

There are, however, many good tropes about wills and bequests, and we already have some of them:

Many of the examples on Will fit tropes that don't exist yet. Here are some suggested ones:
  • Hidden Will (characters are sure someone left a will, but it isn't easy to find, perhaps because an Inadequate Inheritor didn't want it found)
  • Mystery Heir (the will doesn't make it clear who gets the estate, leaving it up to a puzzle or contest)
  • Silly Will (undesirable or otherwise ridiculous bequests, insults and random nonsense left in wills)

I propose cutting Will or turning it into an index. Either way, there should be some sort of index to cover these sort of tropes.

edited 12th Feb '12 7:57:19 PM by Prfnoff

 2 shimaspawn, Sun, 12th Feb '12 8:05:09 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I like the idea of turning into an index. You're right that it is a bit of a mess and it seems to be trying to talk about far too many tropes that the same time.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
That sounds about right. Wills themselves are more Trivia or Useful Notes than an actual trope.

In favour of index.

It might be a kind of McGuffin, though.

edited 12th Feb '12 8:07:12 PM by Feather7603

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
Quick glance at the page and yeah, this is squeezing too many tropes into one place. It needs a split.

Also, Will is not an appropriate name. It's too ambiguous. And it shares a name with several works. The main Will page should be a disambig, and we can think of a new, more clever name for wherever this page ends up.

I'd be fine with an index. *brainstorming* Inheritance Tropes?

edited 12th Feb '12 9:34:58 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 5 shimaspawn, Sun, 12th Feb '12 9:48:00 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
That's a good one and it's a nice catch all for a number of related tropes.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Agree with moving examples to actual tropes and making this a disambiguation page.

 8 Willbyr, Mon, 13th Feb '12 8:30:47 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
+1 to make this an index...possibly Will And Inheritance Tropes?

edited 13th Feb '12 8:30:58 AM by Willbyr

 9 Deboss, Mon, 13th Feb '12 8:51:13 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I'm cool with that.
 10 Louie W, Mon, 13th Feb '12 10:44:25 AM from Babycowland
Loser
Does anyone have any ideas about what other tropes would fit on that Will And Inheritance Tropes index? I am thinking that Unexpected Inheritance and maybe Black Widow would work.

Anyway, is it alright if I go ahead and make a single proposition crowner for making Will into an index?
"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d
I like the idea of making this an index. Just make sure there aren't any aspects of the page that aren't covered by any existing tropes before we wipe out this one, so we can create new tropes to cover them.

 12 shimaspawn, Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:41:18 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up][up] Go ahead. I'm noticing that a lot of these tropes really should be on an index together and aren't. Some are only on Plots

edited 13th Feb '12 11:43:42 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
[up][up][up] Well again, we don't want the actual Will page to be an index...it should be a disambig. Much like Inheritance, actually.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:47:32 AM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 14 Madrugada, Mon, 13th Feb '12 12:12:03 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Video Wills and possibly The Tape Knew You Would Say That

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 15 Louie W, Mon, 13th Feb '12 7:08:00 PM from Babycowland
Loser
There is now a single proposition crowner for this trope here. I took Troacctid's advice and added the disambiguation part so it was more clear that the Will page itself would not be where the new index would be located.

If I misinterpreted something there feel free to tell me though.

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d
 16 Bobby G, Mon, 13th Feb '12 7:11:21 PM from the Silvery Tay
Crowner is currently 15 to 0 in favor.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 18 Deboss, Tue, 21st Feb '12 9:58:45 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
One of the reasons this needs to be a disambiguation is that while inheritance wills are popular in fiction, so is will power, particularly things like Heroic Willpower. Thus, we need a tag of some kind to let people know which one it is.

edited 21st Feb '12 9:58:53 AM by Deboss

 19 shimaspawn, Tue, 21st Feb '12 10:00:14 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Ooh, good point. It's also a common name for Mana in some works. I think disambig would probably be the best idea for this page.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
[up][up]Support. Willpower is a stat in some Tabletop Games.

edited 21st Feb '12 10:01:44 AM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 21 shimaspawn, Tue, 21st Feb '12 10:48:07 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Calling crowner as we all agree on the index and disambig.

edited 21st Feb '12 10:48:24 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 22 johnnye, Sun, 26th Feb '12 7:41:36 PM from Brighton, UK Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
Semi-seriously, if there's going to be a disambiguation for "Will", perhaps it should link to that other Will. After all, he pops up everywhere else.

As for an index, Will And Inheritance Tropes sounds good.
Zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor, so Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus.
 23 Deboss, Sun, 26th Feb '12 7:56:05 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Crowners locked, what goes where?
We need an index and a disambiguation. Disambig will be at the main Will page. Index location is undecided. Will And Inheritance Tropes has some support. I think just Inheritance Tropes is better because that includes wills, so the extra bit is redundant.

There are also several tropes on the current Will page that could be YKTTW'd. Presumably that's the majority of the work to be done here.

edited 26th Feb '12 8:52:21 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 25 shimaspawn, Sun, 26th Feb '12 8:55:26 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Why don't we start on that list of tropes to be YKTT Wed then?
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick

Single Proposition: Will
13th Feb '12 7:02:22 PM
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