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Rename: NEW CROWNER (Alt Titles 12-28-12): Asian Gal With White Guy get usage counts

 526 Larkmarn, Thu, 14th Mar '13 8:24:06 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Also: Can I start yanking examples that don't fit/are race-incidental?

 527 Septimus Heap, Thu, 14th Mar '13 9:42:53 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Removing bad examples is a free action. Go for it.

 528 Larkmarn, Wed, 20th Mar '13 2:05:02 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Removing some. Also commenting out some of the many, many ZCEs.

I do have a couple questions.

1: What constitutes a gender-inversion? Would the Asian guy be demure and the white girl a Mighty Whitey, or would it be a Mighty Asian and demure girl?

2: What about instances of Mighty Whitey getting the Asian girl where she's not particularly demure, but he gets her because he's so damn mighty?

 529 Totemic Hero, Wed, 20th Mar '13 2:19:01 PM from the next level Relationship Status: Abstaining
Mild panic
1) Gender inverted means just flipping the gender, so it would be mighty White woman and demure Asian man. Expect lampshading to ensue.

2) If the girl is a genuine Action Girl or fairly tough in her own right, then it's not this trope.

edited 20th Mar '13 2:19:21 PM by TotemicHero

"These days they have a stat for how many times a guy goes for a cup of coffee." -Mark McGwire
[up]No, that's not exactly correct.

  1. Both. Although, the latter is probably most common in Asian fiction. I recall a few anime, for example, with a powerful Asian man and a white damsel.

  2. As I mentioned before, her being demure is not what signifies the trope. What does is the white man being more mighty than her, or being more advantaged (for example, she's uneducated, a prostitute, doesn't speak English well, a stranger in a foreign land, or even a Dragon Lady; those are all examples).

edited 20th Mar '13 2:22:32 PM by KingZeal

 531 Larkmarn, Wed, 20th Mar '13 2:29:06 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
So... huh.

1: I'm going to go with "Both" but assuming one of them is blatantly misbalanced (and it's clear from the description)

2: So what if she is a genuine Action Girl, but compared to the Mighty Whitey she may as well just be a porcelain doll?

Like I said, her being an Action Girl doesn't automatically disqualify her for the trope.

For example, I argued earlier that Knives Chau from Scott Pilgrim qualifies. The point of the trope is that the asian woman is treated as a doormat, is dismissed by her lover, or needs/loves him more than he needs/loves her. She passes that part with flying colors, despite the fact that she is also a Badass.

 533 Larkmarn, Tue, 26th Mar '13 4:54:56 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Done clearing out ZCEs/removing obvious non-examples. Someone want to look over and make sure I didn't axe something I shouldn't have or miss anything?

 534 Helter Skelter, Tue, 26th Mar '13 5:32:48 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
[up][up] Does it count when it's an acknowledged character flaw, though? I think it wouldn't because it dismisses the white guy part of it. It's not a fantasy born out of a "submissive, exotic" woman, it's that she's codependent and he's taking advantage of her. That, or it's some form of Played With version of this trope.

I'd say it's either Discussed or Lampshaded, but that's about it.

It's still using the stereotype, whether its acknowledged or not.

 536 Larkmarn, Wed, 27th Mar '13 7:06:49 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Can we call the crowner yet?

 537 Totemic Hero, Wed, 27th Mar '13 3:57:26 PM from the next level Relationship Status: Abstaining
Mild panic
Considering that the crowner results aren't even visible to me any more (likely due to the ongoing DDoS countermeasures), I'd say this thread, along with most TRS threads, is kind of tabled until that all gets sorted out.
"These days they have a stat for how many times a guy goes for a cup of coffee." -Mark McGwire
 538 Septimus Heap, Wed, 27th Mar '13 4:01:12 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The crowner votes are still visible in the crowner index, but since the problem actively screws with the votes, we can't rely on that either.

 539 Rhyme Beat, Wed, 27th Mar '13 8:33:37 PM from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Alicorns Anonymous
Can we just use Mighty Whitey and Mellow Yellow? It clearly had enough votes to win.
 540 Septimus Heap, Thu, 28th Mar '13 4:19:42 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The last vote count before the DoS was 18-2, I remember.

 541 Alrune, Fri, 5th Apr '13 4:57:01 PM from Your Bed
Swirl Swirl Red Whirl
Can we proceed to the name change?

 542 Septimus Heap, Sat, 6th Apr '13 2:22:37 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I would just go ahead by now.

 543 Willbyr, Sat, 6th Apr '13 7:49:18 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
It's been this long, I'd say go for it.
 544 Septimus Heap, Sat, 6th Apr '13 10:50:21 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
OK, went ahead and did the rename as well as wick cleanup. I also repointed the redirect Me Love You Long Time to Asian Hooker Stereotype and dewicked it (Whoever renamed it to Asian Gal with White Guy forgot the wick cleanup).

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Alternative Titles: Me Love You Long Time
28th Dec '12 10:43:47 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
This trope is about unequal relationships between Asian women and white men, in which the latter hold the power. It is NOT about:
  • Prostitution (Ok, that is sometimes part of it but not enough to deserve mentioning in the name)
  • Any relationships between Asians and white men. Thus, please do not add politically correct options to the crowner
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