Rename: NEW CROWNER (Alt Titles 12-28-12): Asian Gal With White Guy

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And that's my point. Tropes are flexible, but that definition isn't.

The word is Whitey not Mighty Whitey. Big and important difference here - we are emulating the word, not the trope.

And you don't see the problem with this?

edited 8th Jan '13 12:00:00 PM by KingZeal

427 SeptimusHeap8th Jan 2013 12:00:23 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I am not sure how many times that distinction will matter. You can slightly rephrase it, I assume.

Also, let's keep in mind the trope we are searching is clear in either case.

Na, I do not see a problem. It's in both cases about "whites are superior".

edited 8th Jan '13 12:00:59 PM by SeptimusHeap

Again, that's overly simplistic.

But you know what, screw it. I'll keep my mouth shut again.
429 TotemicHero10th Jan 2013 05:56:03 PM from the next level
Not a bug!
I wish people would stop adding new options to the crowner, as that means we've got to wait that much longer for things to settle out.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
The Crowner winner doesn't necessarily mean it'll be picked right? If we had to pick a "politically incorrect" name, I'm for Docile Asian Strong Whitey, though it refined to something like Docile Asian Gal With Mighty Whitey Guy or something. Or is that too long?
431 Michael11th Jan 2013 01:31:42 AM , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
So that's what this does
[up]Unfortunately it's looking pretty clear that the incest joke is going to be picked, yes.
432 SeptimusHeap11th Jan 2013 02:59:34 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
@430: That name is much too long.
433 Larkmarn11th Jan 2013 05:28:22 AM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
I'm actually with with King Zeal in that "docile Asian" shouldn't be part of the trope, so long as the pairing is blatantly uneven. Maybe mentioned as a common form of it, but not limiting the trope exclusively to docile Asian women. The real problem with the Trope Decay in the first place was it kept getting used for relationships where race was a complete non-issue. There have been cases that have the same Unfortunate Implications where the woman wasn't docile per se, but it was pretty clear she went with the guy at all because, hey, he's white and that's enough. I think ignoring those instances would be a disservice, since they're still blatantly in the spirit of those trope.

If anything, situations where the woman isn't docile and yet the relationship is blatantly imbalanced should be MORE notable for this trope.

edited 11th Jan '13 5:34:19 AM by Larkmarn

434 SeptimusHeap11th Jan 2013 05:40:39 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
431: What incest joke?

Or maybe just simply the redirect: Asian Gal On White Guy Drama.
436 SeptimusHeap11th Jan 2013 10:17:48 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
While it would make the rename process easier, "Drama" to me says nothing about the trope.
438 Larkmarn11th Jan 2013 12:16:18 PM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Those are both pretty bad, for the exact reasons you cited.

Maybe Asian Needs Whitey?
Asian Girls Need Whitey would be better, since we need to clarify that it's about gender and not just Asian people.

In fact, that's damn near perfect.

440 SeptimusHeap11th Jan 2013 01:23:48 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
It's also easy to rename to, but does it capture the spirit of the trope?
In my opinion? Absolutely.

The entire stereotype is that a less-successful, docile, hypersexual, or otherwise disadvantaged asian woman falls deeply in love with, becomes sexually obsessed with, sells her body to, and/or has a child by, a white man who either doesn't love her, loves someone else, or clearly doesn't need her as much as she needs him.

edited 11th Jan '13 1:27:06 PM by KingZeal

442 Larkmarn11th Jan 2013 01:32:13 PM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
I like it. It's got a nice ring to it. Makes it clear that it's based around intimate relationships, that the white guy has all the power, and that she's dependent on him. Added to the crowner.

So... are we still in disagreement about the whole "docile = necessary" thing?

edited 11th Jan '13 1:33:44 PM by Larkmarn

443 TotemicHero11th Jan 2013 01:45:11 PM from the next level
Not a bug!
Okay, I'm pretty sure the level of emotional commitment on the part of the white man is not part of the trope.

In fact, on second thought, it can be argued that for the Unfortunate Implications to work, the relationship has to be portrayed as healthy and happy.

edited 11th Jan '13 1:47:14 PM by TotemicHero

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Errr...well, part of the trope is that the asian girl needs him more than he needs her. Even if he loves her dearly, she needs him.

EDIT: Exactly.

edited 11th Jan '13 1:48:24 PM by KingZeal

445 TotemicHero11th Jan 2013 01:54:19 PM from the next level
Not a bug! Emotional dependency is not an intrinsic part of the trope, at least no more than in any other romantic relationship trope has by default.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
446 SeptimusHeap11th Jan 2013 01:58:18 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I'd almost be tempted to go with Asian White Relationship Stereotype at this point.
Not exactly. There has to be an implication that she has more to lose. This can be completely glossed over, downplayed and never acknowledged in-universe, but that's the spirit of the trope.

The point of the fetish is either for white men to fantasize about an asian girl that needs them or an asian girl to fantasize about a powerful white male.
448 SeptimusHeap11th Jan 2013 02:22:10 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I am pretty sure this trope is not about fetishes, simply about the stereotype associated with this particular form of interracial marriage.
449 TotemicHero11th Jan 2013 02:26:18 PM from the next level
Not a bug!
What Septimus said. While it started as a white power fantasy, like many tropes it has evolved so that in can be played for different effects. (There's quite a few parody/spoof examples on the trope page right now that still would fit under the new definition.)
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
I don't see how that refutes anything I just said.

Alternative Titles: Me Love You Long Time
28th Dec '12 10:43:47 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
This trope is about unequal relationships between Asian women and white men, in which the latter hold the power. It is NOT about:
  • Prostitution (Ok, that is sometimes part of it but not enough to deserve mentioning in the name)
  • Any relationships between Asians and white men. Thus, please do not add politically correct options to the crowner

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