We had a conversation about this in the TRS thread for Where Da White Women At?. Namely, someone wanted to change the name because it was offensive. And the call for a rename had precedent since this trope was changed from Me Love You Long Time for the exact same reason.
Ultimately Where Da White Women At? kept it's name and now we're here again because A) keeping THAT name and not changing this one creates a Double Standard and B) the trope has suffered Trope Decay into just listing Asian Girl/White guy couples and multiple inversions as opposed to the relationships where the problematic (or at least, what people in-universe find problematic) element.
So we're here again. Discuss.
[Excised joke I think may, on second thought, have been in mildly poor taste - or at least insulting towards those with certain viewpoints in the above mentioned discussion. Discretion, valor, etc]
Seriously, though, it is an issue, but I'm not 100% sure the right solution is to play whiplash with past, voted on, and already done renames, at least not so casually.
Besides, the above mentioned solution only satisfies those who thought neither of those trope names were racist to begin with. Those who thought that Where Da White Women At?was racist will certainly not be satisfied with just returning Me Love You Long Time - quite the opposite, in fact.
Further, the new and old names for this trope sound like they're about completely different things; the current one at least sounds like what the trope is about. Me Love You Long Time made me think it had something to do with prostitution (but then, that was because I saw the movie)
"Change it back to Me Love You Longtime. Done"
1. That would make it a phrase as a title. Not a good idea.
2. As Leaper pointed out, "Me Love You Long Time made me think it had something to do with prostitution (but then, that was because I saw the movie)". For those familiar with the trope namer, it seems like something else.
The asian prostitute stereotype is part of this trope though, in the same way that the stereotypical black thug is a part of Where Da White Women At?: it's not a necessary component, but it is very common. Even in stories that don't take place overseas, the asian sex worker is a constantly-used trope. I can think of a Law & Order episode, in fact, where there was an entire sex trafficking ring which thrived on this trope.
I also missed Ad of Win, which, after noticing, I checked, and it went to a picture of an ad for chinese dating.
However, with about 50% probably wrong (at least), I think going with the old name is a terrible idea
The "misuse" regarding asian prostitutes is not misuse at all, in my opinion. As I said before, the asian sex worker stereotype is part of this trope in the same way that the black slave, criminal or pimp is part of the Where Da White Women at dynamic. Separating the two is a mistake.
Misuse that involves "white guy with asian girl" is going to happen regardless of what we name it to.
Again, the trope is not inherently about "problems" with the relationship. Some of the ones being listed as "misuse" are examples in which one character is a white male with a fetish for asian women or vice-versa. That is PART of the trope! Just like Where Da White Women at, this trope is not inherently about the negatives in such a relationship, but the stereotypes which fuel the relationship. The difference between this trope and WDWWA is that this is not about a relationship that was villified—it's about a relationship that became fetishized because white men were assumed to have a power dynamic over asian women.
I was about to say that some of the wrong examples were the trope being used correctly. Race Fetish does kinda play into the trope a little bit. Unless you were counting the examples in which a character not with an Asian gal and just commenting on how beautiful/exotic they were as Not an Example.
No, that's slight overlap with Race Fetish but this also covers a lot of things that don't fall under that trope. Most tropes overlap at least a little with other tropes. It does not make them the same trope.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
-Philip K. Dick
Alternative Titles: Me Love You Long Time
28th Dec '12 10:43:47 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
This trope is about unequal relationships between Asian women and white men, in which the latter hold the power. It is NOT about:
Prostitution (Ok, that is sometimes part of it but not enough to deserve mentioning in the name)
Any relationships between Asians and white men. Thus, please do not add politically correct options to the crowner