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Two Tropes In One: Oral Tradition get usage counts

SUMMARY:

The old Oral Tradition was a medium and several genres merged into one page, and Mythology and Myth And Legend redirected to it. We agreed to split this page.

Oral Tradition has been redefined as a medium in which a work is not written or otherwise recorded in any way. We're now writing new pages for the genres.

(By definition it is basically impossible to trope an unrecorded work, so I assume that nothing troped or used as an example on this wiki can actually be Oral Tradition.)

Still To Do:


THE ORIGINAL OPis here 

edited 12th Jun '13 8:27:58 AM by ArcadesSabboth

[up]Alright, point taken about the splitting of genres.

I looked at your Myth draft and I like what you wrote, but you left out a lot from my draft that I consider important:

  • links to Sacred Literature and Mythology
  • distinguishing Myth from Legend as being sacred
  • "as a genre myths are not automatically defined as false or untrue. Though myths can be analyzed like fictional stories, whatever reality lies behind them is usually a theological subject, especially when divine figures are involved. "
  • "Non-narrative works about theology and cosmology..." paragraph
  • "Because bodies of myth have huge numbers of authors..." paragraph
  • Cautious Editing Judgement comment

I'd like to combine the two drafts to retain these parts from my draft, and tweak your wording a bit.

edited 10th Feb '13 12:58:22 PM by ArcadesSabboth

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EDIT: Thanks to everybody who helped! The Oral Tradition YKTTW is launched and I don't even think I screwed it up.

Since the Myth sandbox isn't ready, what should we YKTTW next?

Lord Gro, what do you think still needs to be done on Heroic Legend to launch it?

edited 14th Mar '13 12:52:35 PM by ArcadesSabboth

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Hm OK, well I'm sending Mythology to the YKTTW.

Here it is.

Are we still going with typing the genres as "trope"? Or in this case "trope+index" ?

edited 7th Mar '13 6:52:36 PM by ArcadesSabboth

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 79 Xtifr, Thu, 7th Mar '13 7:31:29 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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I'm pretty sure every genre page on the wiki is typed as trope. (Or trope+index.) I may be overlooking some that are just index, but if there are any like that, I haven't spotted them.

(That last sentence brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.) :)
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Well, I launched Mythology. In my opinion, Myth And Legend should redirect to Mythology rather than Oral Tradition.

Myth is next. Here is the link to the YKTTW draft.

edited 29th Mar '13 10:20:01 AM by ArcadesSabboth

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 81 Willbyr, Thu, 30th May '13 5:54:02 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Clock is set.
I am going to start working on this again.

Currently Myth has a "Already Have?" tag with the suggestion that it is too similar to Mythology. I have already expressed my disagreement, so I would like to have more opinions and dialogue about it. Nobody has commented on the YKTTW in a while.
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 83 Septimus Heap, Mon, 3rd Jun '13 7:09:04 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I personally would simply ignore that tag. We have already having a discussion about their misuse.

The troper who set it changed their mind. Where do I go to ask for it to be removed?
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 85 Septimus Heap, Tue, 4th Jun '13 7:26:26 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Ask The Tropers, or since we are discussing it here, holler.

Or just ignore the tag.

I have two questions:

1. When does the clock run out? All I can see is when it was set.

2. When/if the YKTT Ws are ever finished, can I holler to have a locked TRS thread re-opened? I am extremely concerned that it will be locked before it is finished.
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 87 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Jun '13 12:25:22 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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The clock did already run out. It just wasn't acted on.

As for the other question, I would guess you need a reason to get it unlocked.

How's "the YKTT Ws were finally launched so I can finish this" for a reason?
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 89 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Jun '13 7:39:36 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Hmm...you want it reopened for the wickwork, yeah? I do not think a thread would be closed before that is done.

Kill It with Fire was locked before it was finished. They haven't done all the YKTTW launches as far as I know, let alone wicks.
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 91 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Jun '13 9:42:25 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Hmmm...what is to do here, besides launching the YKTTWs?

The to-do list is pinned at the top. ^^^
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 93 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Jun '13 10:16:13 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Aye, wickwork again. I may help when it comes to this, but I can't really assist with the YKTTWs.

You already have as much as you could, so thank you.
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Month bump: So what needs to be done to get these YKTTWs taken care of? There was a proposal to change the Heroic Literature not to be so medium-specific, using the title Heroic Legend instead.

 96 Septimus Heap, Thu, 15th Aug '13 12:24:31 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I agree with using Heroic Legend.

Also, I haven't seen any activity by Arcades Sabboth since June and the YKTTWs have been dead in the water, too - what's up with that?

Arcades Sabboth told me in PM she'll be coming back to TV Tropes less frequently, so it's not sure if she will return to this TRS any time soon.

I think the problem with this TRS from the beginning was that it has been trying to do too many things in one go. Oral Tradition was essentially a big lumberroom index for a lot of different things that had no other place. It was kinda inevitable that the thread has been going extremely slow.

The Heroic Literature / Heroic Legend / whatever complex is in YKTTW, so we don't have to bother about it in this TRS. I plan to rewrite the draft, but I'd rather sideline it until this TRS is closed. What still needs to be done is making Folklore fit for YKTTW. The rest isn't really the business of this TRS, I think.

Edit: Peripherally related: I'd be glad for feedback to my Riddle YKTTW, or else hats for launching.

edited 20th Aug '13 2:37:18 PM by LordGro

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 98 Septimus Heap, Thu, 19th Sep '13 11:43:38 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Bumping this. I am not seeing lots of progress here - many YKTTW seem to have stalled.

Just submitted Folklore to YKTTW. Please comment.
It's perfectly possible to admire building a cannon to destroy the moon, whilst lamenting the act of destruction.
... I think we can close this thread. It has achieved its most important objective, a new Oral Tradition page that is much better defined and no longer a lumber-room for homeless pages.

We also have a new Mythology index page, and drafts for Folklore, Myth and Heroic Legend. I think the rest is work for YKTTW. Having all the different YKTTW drafts and a TRS that oversees all these projects is redundant and confusing rather than helpful.

Does anybody disagree?
It's perfectly possible to admire building a cannon to destroy the moon, whilst lamenting the act of destruction.

Single Proposition: Oral Tradition
28th Feb '12 9:47:03 PM
Vote up for yes, down for no.
At issue:
Should we split Oral Tradition?

Proposal to split this page into the medium Oral Tradition (for works transmitted orally), and the genre Myth, Legend, and Folklore, based on the draft at Sandbox.Myth Legend And Folklore.
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