All-Purpose Nasuverse Fanfiction Thread

I needed to write something...

Can Shiki kill servants?

Absolutely.

Can Shiki actually pull it off?

Depends on the servant we're talking about...

Yeah, I think the question isn't so much "Is she capable of killing a Servant" as it is "Can she physically keep up with a Servant in melee combat long enough to kill them?" Against Saber, she'd probably be fucked. Someone like a Caster, or Assassin? Maybe.

To be fair, RIN can keep up with Stay Night Caster. She might have had trouble with Zero Caster though. Say what you will about the man, Bluebeard used to be a Knight and one of Joan of Arc's companions.

Also I'm guessing the whole "endless supply of drones" might make actually getting to him a bit tough. Assuming her killing them bypasses the regeneration aspect, it's still a theoretically infinite number of mooks between him and her.

And I want to see a Bluebeard Saber at some point.

Medea has drones too, and Rin's shown she has no trouble going through them like cheap cup noodles.

Though to be fair, Bluebeard's minions were definitely of higher quality than Medea's. I'm not saying Shiki couldn't do it, but they would definitely slow her down, maybe just enough to let him get away.

x5 Which Assassin are we talking about here? If it's Kojirou, she's just as fucked as going against Arturia.

Ladies and Gentlemen! We have a winner!

edited 19th Dec '14 8:12:27 AM by PhoenixKnight6

Of course, all it would it take is one misstep for long enough on part of the Servant in question, based on them underestimating her lethality due to being merely a living human with no obvious signs of supernatural abilities. Heck, Ryougi could theoretically pull a fast one on them by sacrificing her artificial arm in order to trick them into getting in close and disrupt their rhythm with momentary shock, allowing her to strike directly at their most vulnerable points.

That said, all of that would constitute a very big gamble.

So... Has anyone actually considered the concept of swapping the servants of the 4th and 5th wars? That would be... Interesting.

Waver and Medusa would be hilarious, amongst all the sexual tension. Kirei would have an interesting conversation partner in the form of Sasaki, and might not actually turn evil. Archer would be out and about trying to kill Kiritsugu, like a certain other fic in the recommended list. Kariya might actually want to turn off Hercules' Mad Enhancement outside of combat, which would be interesting, and Hercules would pretty much instantly recognize Medea. Speaking of Medea, she would loathe Ryuunosuke. Lancer would be more the type to actively flirt with Sola-Ui and actually establish a proper (aka healthy) relationship with her (if partly to piss off his Master purely for kicks), and Saber is Saber, as usual.

In the fifth war... Gilgamesh being Rin's servant would be hilarious and interesting. Iskander would not put up with Shinji's bullshit, and would probably try to help Sakura out of the hole she's in. Zero!Caster with Souichirou... Oh, dear. Illya and Lancelot... OH DEAR. Zero!Lancer being forced to serve Kirei (provided that he happens to turn evil) would be hell for him. And I think Zouken would probably get the idea to summon Assassin rather than some random magus.

I probably can't do it, though, I have enough fic work on my plate as it is.

That would be pretty interesting but if Rin summons Gilgamesh then it HAS to be Prototype Gil. Anything else would be a heresy.

Amen to that.

Also, it's entirely possible that Gilles would still have his original master, since it's both unlikely that whatever made Medea leave him originally would bother him, and he doesn't have Rule Breaker to facilitate that. So Kuzuki would be more or less uninvolved.

I wonder who the original master would be, canon states he was an entirely nondescript magus.

edited 21st Dec '14 11:07:12 AM by Cronosonic

Medea's Master has to be a gigantic moron, considering the guy pissed off his servant enough that she'd rather die with her wish unfulfilled than serve him. I can't recall any specific mention of what exactly it was that made Medea decide to cut her losses and run, though, and it could just as easily be related to something that is Medea specific (such as the guy being a demanding man who reminded her of Jason) as it could be something that would get the guy killed no matter what servant he summons, like being Shinji.

I know they have debunked this to me before, but in my headcanon, he'll always be the alternate universe counterpart of the moron who summoned Apocrypha Jack the Ripper.

Said Magus was so monumentally incompetent that Medea managed to trick him into expending all of his Command Spells, allowing her to kill him without fear of retaliation. How the hell can a Magus be that stupid?

That being said, Magi in general aren't paragons of intelligence.

I'm comparing this guy to my impression of the expected average for magi. As in, an average magus worth his salt should be paranoid enough of supernatural beings with vastly superlative power to his own that he would strive to economize the use of his only guarantee of control over them.

edited 21st Dec '14 1:58:05 PM by MarqFJA

The fact that he's never been described in any way, shape or form says a lot about how utterly unimportant he is to Nasu.

For all we know, Medea might be exaggerating and he was somewhat decent guy (and not just by Magus standards) who just did the wrong thing right off the bat, pissing Medea off so much that she decided death was preferable. That seems unlikely, but anything is possible.

Maybe he didn't actually do anything, but had the bad luck of looking like Jason, making her decide to end his life by default.

In terms of in-universe logic, yes, but if one tweaked the canon so that Sasaki was a legit hero he would be far more interesting than the "league of Hassan" that he summoned in canon.

My is this premise epic! Nice thinking Cronosonic!

edited 21st Dec '14 4:10:43 PM by PhoenixKnight6

I don't think that'd be enough to make her waste her own life away.

Heh, thanks. I somehow came up with this one on a whim, to think nobody else had...

Not to mention the magus who tried to summon Assassin only to be killed by Medea in the middle of the summoning ritual, which was hijacked to summon Sasaki.