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This has got to be one of the most awkward snowclones on the site. The connection between this trope and Tall, Dark and Handsome is minimal and best, and painfully shoehorned at worst. Also, you know a trope name is bad when there's a bold inflated notice on the page telling you "this trope is not X, it's Y, " something that would not need to be there if the trope had an actual intuitive name. On a side note, this trope seems to collect a lot of Zero Context Examples; we should do something about that.
Well, there are over a thousand wicks and 800 inbounds, so I think it warrants a wick check before renaming. That said, I will note that as anecdotal evidence goes, the aloofness part of the trope only seems to be adhered to because it's such a popular combination rather than because people fully grasp the trope.
Please show some evidence of misuse.
First 20 wicks:
edited 22nd Jan '12 8:01:17 PM by MyTimingIsOff
I see the Awesomeness.It's one of those pain in the ass physical descriptors tropes.
Hm. I'd say both of the Amagami examples are correct usage. The Hibiki one is correct, and if I remember who the second one is talking about correctly, she is also a correct example. Probably on accident, but still a correct example.
Ame-iro Kouchakan Kandan is correct. Aloof girl with long, dark hair, that makes other girls swoon? Yup, that's the trope in a nut shell.
Dragon WriterBTW, the phrase "Critical Snowclone Failure" is Made of Win.
edited 23rd Jan '12 9:18:55 AM by Stratadrake
The making other girls swoon bit seems optional. It's tall, dark haired and aloof. Tend to be busty too, but I guess that bit is optional.
Dark hair is optional as well, judging by the description. EDIT: I should also mention that if you read the example list, you'll see quite a bit of "X is a blonde example" and other Word Crufty garbage like that.
edited 23rd Jan '12 1:24:41 PM by MyTimingIsOff
The physical requirements are a matter of discussion rather than something to be unilaterally declared. I do feel that the trope is normally for dark hair, though not necessarily black. Purple, dark blue or brown would also work. Anyway, are we going to get a more complete wick check?
Here's some more:
edited 23rd Jan '12 2:44:31 PM by MyTimingIsOff
Why aren't we looking at the examples list? Lets grab the first ten in each category.
open/close all folders
Anime and Manga
edited 23rd Jan '12 7:29:25 PM by Sackett
The Final ECW ChampionYeah, is bisho underage, or at least young aged demographic? That alone is enough for me to suggest a name change because the title is wrong as this is an appearance trope, one I admit, makes little sense to me but still its an appearance trope, not a demographics trope.
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
Well, I'll help you sort out those. From anime, the Higurashi no Naku Koro ni example doesn't appear to grasp the trope. I'd say they're all wrong except for Miyo, who is blond. Mion and Shion are both pretty outgoing and Rena is neither tall nor aloof. For visual novels, the A Profile, Canvas 2, Chaos;Head, and Fate/stay night examples are correct. Well Rider part of the FSN example is. The Tohsaka part is not correct, since being tall is definitely part of the trope and she's of average height. However, the judging by what is written the actual intent of the trope is understood, meaning a blatantly shoehorned example. Kara no Shoujo is correct and so are the Umineko no Naku Koro ni and Kanon examples. For Western Animation, the Danny Phantom example is incorrect. Edit: As a side note, none of these girls has any fangirls to speak of. I also detect some overlap with Sugar and Ice Personality.
edited 23rd Jan '12 7:41:18 PM by Arha
The Final ECW ChampionTo be honest I don't really like the trope description at all. "She's aloof and therefore attracts a large following" are directly contradictory to each other. I'd really say we drop the gender and appearance together. Limit this to aloof characters who end up with a posse/groupies whatever anyway.
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
Why is that so contradictory? Also, the way you want to redefine it completely changes the trope. The point isn't that they get fangirls: That's actually optional. The point is that they're tall, stoic and aloof. Usually dark haired too.
edited 23rd Jan '12 7:47:42 PM by Arha
The Final ECW ChampionTo be aloof is to be distant, that's why its contradictory. And change the trope? If the concept is a lot broader than what it's been pigeonholed into then why not? This is the repair shop. Character who is aloof but gains themselves hanger ons despite it doesn't seem like something limited to tall girls. The way this trope gets used its not part of the bisho demographic anyway(Torrie Wilson? Then again that's just plain misuse because she's hardly "aloof")
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
That's not what aloof means. Aloof means that a character is above the petty squabbles of other characters. It doesn't mean she can't be admired and that she can't be popular, but she's likely to only have a few true friends. Most of her hangers on are just going to be admiring her from afar.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Rabid FujoshiShe's usually The Ojou Ice Queen or Aloof Big Sister, and often has an Instant Fanclub who admires her, which she largely ignores, but people worship her anyway. Also probably on the School Council. I'm wondering if this isn't just a subtype of The Ojou, really.
edited 24th Jan '12 12:05:22 AM by NoirGrimoir
SPATULA, Supporters of Page Altering To Urgently Lead to Amelioration (supports not going through TRS for tweaks and minor improvements.)
Fallen PaladinIn Literature, Susan from Discworld doesn't fit the physical description: her hair is white.
You always take us with you when you go
I see the Awesomeness.
Purple, dark blue or brown would also work.Purple Is The New Black. Hm, being a subtrope of The Ojou seems likely. Possibly a derivative based on giving a specific look and personality based on being The Ojou and then the look and personality broke off of The Ojou specifically?
The Other TroperThat trope just means purple being used to highlight black in certain cases. It doesn't really relate to hair color.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
I see the Awesomeness.Dammit, I was positive we had that trope for purple or dark blue being used instead of black.
Cure CandyIt was folded into Purple Is The New Black sometime ago IIRC. It is very prevalent in anime since the animation is done via black lines so Black hair with Black lines lose detail in the hair so its Dark Purple or Dark Blue (rarely Dark Green)
edited 24th Jan '12 5:05:06 AM by Raso
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