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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1: Jan 21st 2012 at 1:54:39 AM

I don't know what your opinion is here, but this page flows over with Natter, first-person, usage of "this troper", misuse of the trope, unexplained examples and many more issues.

Should this page be cut and Ho Yay made No Real Life Examples Please?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#2: Jan 21st 2012 at 2:37:56 AM

I see nothing there even remotely worth saving.

AGroupie sick of it all from City of Angelic Devils Since: Oct, 2009
sick of it all
#3: Jan 21st 2012 at 4:24:35 AM

Actually, I think it COULD be cleaned up. I'll go to work on that right now - if my work fixes it, it could arguably stay. I think that if we clean it up and restrict it it COULD be a workable page, mostly to highlight the things that inspire certain variants of fiction and Memetic Mutation. But the natter, creepiness, and such definitely has to go....

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DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk Since: Jan, 2001
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
#4: Jan 21st 2012 at 4:34:36 AM

Cut, please.

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AGroupie sick of it all from City of Angelic Devils Since: Oct, 2009
sick of it all
#5: Jan 21st 2012 at 4:48:12 AM

Just did first round of fixes. Removed This Troper, the most glaring perv-type stuff... and will do more work if you think this can somehow be saved. idea

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Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#6: Jan 21st 2012 at 5:11:59 AM

I not a big fan of Real Life examples for what is now a subjective trope.

Indaco Since: Nov, 2011
#7: Jan 21st 2012 at 5:23:02 AM

I think we could leave the page, but it seriously needs some clean-up. I could help, if needed.

AGroupie sick of it all from City of Angelic Devils Since: Oct, 2009
sick of it all
#8: Jan 21st 2012 at 7:05:32 AM

I did the first round of clean-up, there's still some issues, can we articulate those so I can work on each? I did my best to clean out natter, This Troper, and OTT literal wank so far...

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#9: Jan 21st 2012 at 7:13:15 AM

I really do think this should be cut.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#10: Jan 21st 2012 at 7:52:41 AM

Hm...it could be saved, provided examples are listed clinically, with no "Squee, Jensen Ackles and Misha Collins TOTALLY DID SOMETHING I FIND TO INDICATE THEY ARE PROBABLY GAY!" I mention them, by the way, because they probably are examples—they have plentiful fangirls who desperately want to see their characters (and them) together, and ship them at every available opportunity. Both actors know this and are jovial about it, sometimes teasing the fanbase.

That said, since Ho Yay is about subtext, this precludes any outed gay men from the page (although pre-out I can see working). I think most examples we're going to find is indications of their sexuality before they came out, or simply teasing for the sake of the fans or a joke.

Also, it needs to mention in what ways there is subtext. This:

The cast of Lost in the outtakes and other behind the scenes stuff.

tells me nothing and provides nothing by way of example.

This:

Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman are already showing very nice signs of this (of course, it doesn't hurt that they are playing Sherlock Holmes and John Watson, one of the most popular slash pairings in history of literature and television). They have incredible chemistry on and off-screen. They constantly compliment each other. And in a recent interview with Sunday Observer, Benedict said that Martin is helping him pick out his clothes. AND if you really want to speculate, there is a fact that during the filming of the first season of Sherlock, Benedict broke up with his girlfriend of seven years, Olivia Poulet.

simply doesn't belong, period. This is the type of thing that people hate about Ho Yay to begin with—fans with overactive imaginations playing up every single look and word as forbidden love.

edited 21st Jan '12 7:55:48 AM by helterskelter

GingerSnaps Tired forever. Since: Mar, 2011
Tired forever.
#11: Jan 21st 2012 at 9:22:15 AM

Supporting cut. It's one thing to have pages about interpreting gay subtext between fictional characters but I think having one about real people crosses a line somewhere.

What is this "sleep" you speak of?
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#12: Jan 21st 2012 at 10:08:36 AM

I think we should limit it to examples with Word of God tongue

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#13: Jan 21st 2012 at 10:34:37 AM

Cut it,salt it,then nuke it from orbit.

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Indaco Since: Nov, 2011
#15: Jan 21st 2012 at 10:54:40 AM

I don't know, maybe cutting would be the best option after all ... And if we are going to keep it, we should probably limit the examples to intentional ones, played for fanservice or otherwise, to avoid Natter.

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#16: Jan 21st 2012 at 11:00:23 AM

Yipes. I'll cut it.

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