That's not what the word means (alt-title crowner): Napier get usage counts

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26 ccoa2nd May 2012 06:34:57 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
We have a consensus to rename here, let's see some alt names suggestions. Otherwise, this thread needs to be closed to make way for an active TRS.
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27 Michael2nd May 2012 08:11:20 AM , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
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28 Xtifr3rd May 2012 03:56:03 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
29 Spark93rd May 2012 03:58:22 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] That's good.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
According to this page, a similar existing term is:

Rube Act: A script for short-con games in which the inside man plays the part of a na´ve country bumpkin, of whom the sucker and the outside man conspire to take advantage. Use in three-card monte credited to Canada Bill Jones. From the ancient dodge from 15th century Spain known as "playing the peasant."

Though it might be confusing to people who are unfamiliar with the term.

edited 3rd May '12 8:09:34 AM by Aquillion

31 MetaFour6th May 2012 10:31:10 AM from the edge of the sun
32 Xtifr6th May 2012 07:48:42 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
"Rube" is a reasonably well-known term, and if you know the term, Rube Act seems straightforward enough. I can get behind that.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
33 Spark930th May 2012 04:04:24 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Well, it's pre-existing in an obscure slang that most people don't know, which is exactly the same problem the name "Napier" had.

According to the dictionary, a "rube" is a yokel. That's unrelated to the trope.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
34 SeptimusHeap30th May 2012 05:00:10 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
[up]It's Rube Act, not Rube. And at least from Google I do find the term easily.
35 ccoa4th Jun 2012 08:03:09 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Bumping for votes.
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36 32_Footsteps4th Jun 2012 08:04:34 AM from Just north of Arkham , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
It probably doesn't help that I upvoted all of them, huh? This is one of those crowners where I'd like to see each term at least become a redirect.
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37 SeptimusHeap3rd Jul 2012 08:53:37 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another vote bump.
38 Spark93rd Jul 2012 09:01:02 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Okay, so the issue with "napier" is that it's a slang term that most people haven't heard of, and we're about to replace it by "rube act" which is also a slang term that most people haven't heard of. That strikes me as rather pointless. Perhaps we should get some better alternatives on the crowner.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
39 Xtifr3rd Jul 2012 11:20:23 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Are you kidding? I see "rube" all the time! Maybe you're just not a fan of caper stories. Phrases like, "don't be a rube, it's a sucker bet!" or "to pull this off, we're going to need to find a rube" don't ring any bells? Because they certainly do to me.

"Napier", on the other hand, is a term I've never heard (except in the name of the mathematician, John Napier, the discoverer of logarithms).

(I'm not saying we need to use "rube"—I'm just shocked to hear someone claim it's obscure.)
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
40 Spark93rd Jul 2012 04:26:41 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] I'm probably not from your culture, country/state, or age group.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
Have heard "rube" a million times, "napier" never.

Added "shill", who usually (but not always) pretends to be a bystander, in a con game.

edited 3rd Jul '12 4:30:22 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Shill is just wrong. A shill shows enthusiasm for the bait. This guy is the bait.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
43 ccoa13th Jul 2012 06:39:03 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Calling crowner in favor of Conman in Mark's Clothing
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44 SeptimusHeap13th Jul 2012 06:52:32 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Done, but with the low wick and example count, I tihnk further action is needed.
45 Xtifr13th Jul 2012 12:38:52 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Maybe run it through YKTTW without cutting, just to gather examples.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
46 SeptimusHeap13th Jul 2012 12:40:44 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
I thought of that, but I kinda suck at YKTTW.
47 ccoa31st Aug 2012 12:04:43 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Is anything else going to be done, or can we call this soup?
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48 Xtifr31st Aug 2012 05:14:16 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Needs some indexes and, *sigh*, I'll go ahead and run it through YKTTW. Two examples really just doesn't cut it.

ETA: the description also needs work, as the current description refers to the old name, and substituting the new name doesn't really fit in context. I'll bang it around before going to YKTTW.

ETA x2: the YKTTW is here. (There, that wasn't so hard, was it?) :)

edited 31st Aug '12 5:32:14 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
49 Xtifr8th Sep 2012 02:08:57 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Eddie decided to unilaterally rename the trope to Fake Mark, ignoring the crowner. Which, I suppose, is his prerogative, but I think Fake Mark is a terrible choice. It could mean anything. It could be a rub-on tattoo. He is the boss, so if he really insists, then that's the way it'll be, but I'd love to hear his arguments for the name. I think Fake Mark is about as far from clarity as you can get and still make sense.

(He also discarded the YKTTW, but I think that was an honest mistake. He seemed to think it was a duplicate, rather than an attempt to get more than two examples.)

edited 8th Sep '12 2:09:51 AM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
50 SeptimusHeap8th Sep 2012 02:11:32 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
^I think the name choice was because current was too long and and second-best too obscure.

I think you can just PM about the YKTTW.

Alternative Titles: Napier
6th May '12 7:22:58 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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