"TropeName: Type X" Cleanup

Type Labels Are Not Examples. Requiring a reader to visit page B (whether off or on the wiki) in order to decipher an example given on page A is bad form and needs to be fixed (or nuked).

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So if you see any citations that look like this:

• "TropeName: Of the Type [X] variety."

Then either explain it or zap it. Also consider checking the TropeName page and questioning whether it really needs numbers or labels designating each item — consider zapping them too if it doesn't. (WARNING! Before taking that last step, you need to do a full Wick Check and cleanup of its usage.)

Known offenders spotted in the wild:

(This is by no means a conclusive list.)

• Anti-Hero
• Anti-Villain
• Apocalypse How (separate thread)

Prior offenders, since resolved:

• Boss Game

Any volunteers?

edited 27th Jun '13 6:13:00 PM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

As an example, I scanned through the related articles of Boss Game and replaced about five or so "Type X" citations with further explanation. For example, on ''Alien Soldier:

from:

to:

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

Yeah, this problem can just ruin an example. Like on Characters.Spongebob Squarepants, SpongeBob is labeled as a type I/V Anti-Hero Depending on the Writer with zero elaboration. Likewise Patrick type all of 'em except III, Squidward type I/II, and Mr. Krabs III/V. This leaves the characters far too open to interpretation, to the extent that no information can be drawn from the examples. I think maybe Mr. Krabs, if anyone, is any sort of Anti-Hero, but I can't tell judging from the lack of context. It really doesn't help that the Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes is a broken mess currently under repairs.

I'm not crazy, I just don't give a darn!

Tropes are ending up in the TRS precisely because of this problem (for example, the sliding scales of Antiheroes and Antivillains). It is to our benefit to not only clean these up, but rewrite the descriptions of these tropes to prevent further misuse of this sort.

In any case, I'm in (subject to time availability, of course).

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Apocalypse How comes to mind for precisely this reason, but we've got a separate thread for that....

BTW, I also recently launched Type Labels Are Not Examples.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

What about Zettai Ryouiki (SP?)? Its description quite literally says [[quoteblock]]Examples should be limited to Rank A and B. Use the page image to identify them. [[quoteblock]] in the last line of its description.

My troper wall

Hm… maybe something like, "…but not to a great extent." Although that might be Word Cruft and sound like shoehorning, so don't just take my word for it.

edited 28th Jan '12 12:29:44 PM by FinalStarman

I'm not crazy, I just don't give a darn!

To be quite honest, I don't think that's even a trope as such to begin with. More like an anime fan phenomenon.

It's a Costume Trope. Yeah, people fetishize it, but it still has a right to be listed on pages!!

. Any idea whether or not my suggestion is any good though?

I'm not crazy, I just don't give a darn!

The "Rank A" stuff is part of the fetishization, though - it doesn't have anything to do with the literal costume trope that's the only thing keeping it from being an Audience Reaction. But this is more an issue for TRS then here, though I'm not certain what can realistically be done.

I dunno this seems more counter-productive then productive.

Rarely active, try DA/Tumblr Avatar by pippanaffie.deviantart.com

Underwater Kiss had types A and B. I gave them names (which still works as A and B with initialism) and wrote a brief description other than Exactly What It Says on the Tin. Currently working on the wicks. Feel free to improve.

The ranks of Zettai Ryouiki are actually referred to by letters outside TV Tropes, to my knowledge. I've seen it, at least, though it's not impossible that that originally comes from here. Still, it's about grades rather than types.

edited 8th Jul '12 9:59:35 AM by Feather7603

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.

The ranks of Zettai Ryouiki are necessary to distinguish the personality types and to prevent trope decay.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Underwater Kiss wicks are done. Most of them didn't mention which type, though, which on one hand points to that it's not necessary to have different types, but on the other hand, it does make for good categorisation on the trope page, as there is a different emotion attached.

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.

I understand the ranks, but perhaps the names should clarify both the length and personality.

Also, Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes has names that signify the type, so perhaps the type numbers should just be replaced with those.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.

I tossed up the type titles to the summary in the description, and removed the numbers from the lower headers, but the numbers should probably be kept until the wicks are fixed, since you need a reference unless you do it all at once. With over 1400 wicks, that would take a while.

edited 8th Jul '12 11:28:47 AM by Feather7603

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.

In my opinion completely Zero Content Examples are not better than type labels. Do you agree?

They are exactly the same. In fact, Type Labels Are Not Examples is a sub"trope" of Zero Context Example.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Zero Context Examples are often identified by some flavor of Word Cruft. A "Type X" example isn't Word Cruft, but it's only meaningful to those who already know what the definition of X is (and don't have to consult a separate page to find out).

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

What I mean is that there no point removing type labels without adding details.

Run Away Hide Away, per the discussion page.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Bumping in part to throw Immortality at its subtropes on the list—the page even says that the examples haven't been cleaned up.

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Shows Damage needs some help with this. The description has dropped the type numbers, but they're everywhere else.

Was that some sort of half-done TRS?

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

Don't think so. It has an archived discussion, so if it was, the TRS thread would be gone.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman