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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#1: Jan 14th 2012 at 10:22:24 AM

I have no idea what this trope is but the description sounds like a lot of complaining. I get that it might be a Pet-Peeve Trope to a lot of people but there has to be a more neutral way to describe this.

edited 14th Jan '12 11:15:04 AM by captainpat

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#2: Jan 14th 2012 at 10:49:57 AM

This might be best left example-less.

And might need a new name, since these works need a writer. I mean, what would "Writer Overboard" be... actually it might mean something, but that's for ykttw.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#3: Jan 14th 2012 at 11:09:34 AM

Example Sectionectomy should never be a first resort, and the page doesn't seem to be an out-of-control hatefest to me.

Jet-a-Reeno!
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#4: Jan 14th 2012 at 11:37:13 AM

[up]I was just throwing it out there. I did not suggest we do that as a first resort.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#5: Jan 15th 2012 at 3:44:40 PM

It's not a complete hate fest but there are still a lot examples that are using this to bash a work. A neutral discussion that just explains how this trope plays in works would probably help stop that.

suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#6: Jan 16th 2012 at 7:45:39 AM

The problem is, you could use that reasoning to delete the examples from virtually any trope.

Sometimes it's necessary to bring out the chainsaw, but I think we can be a little too knee-jerk about it too.

Jet-a-Reeno!
captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#7: Jan 16th 2012 at 7:54:07 AM

I'm not proposing we cut the example section, I'm fine with just cutting the complaining (hardly need a trs thread for that) but it still needs a clearer description that doesn't encourage complaining.

edited 16th Jan '12 7:54:21 AM by captainpat

NicklePlatedStephen Since: Dec, 2010
#8: Jan 18th 2012 at 12:06:32 PM

I definitely think it needs work. A lot of the examples read like complaining about variously the authors being liberal, conservative, anti-gun, pro-gun, feminist, anti-feminist etc. There is very much a Complaining About Shows You Dont Like feel to the whole page and I would support an example-ectomy.

edited 18th Jan '12 12:06:51 PM by NicklePlatedStephen

aaeyero aayero Since: Apr, 2011
aayero
#9: Jan 23rd 2012 at 7:43:29 PM

This trope's name definitely leads to a bit of confusion. There is little connection between the name, and the rather vague definition of this trope. It is just a very bad snowclone.

arcsquad12 The Inheritor from Monument of Sins Since: Feb, 2011
The Inheritor
#10: Feb 15th 2012 at 3:28:04 PM

I think the main problem is that this trope should be used where the author explicitly explains their viewpoint and why it is in the novel in the first place.

Pretty much any time Karen Traviss is brought into a trope category, the writing is overtly aggressive and inflammatory.

Do not be so quick to make foolish offers, Daemon. Araghast too once thought I would be an asset to his cause. Look what has become of him.
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