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Transplant (alt titles crowner 8/27): Magical Database get usage counts

 1 shimaspawn, Fri, 13th Jan '12 12:31:45 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I've been noticing this one in wiks for a bit now and there's a large amount of confusion for a database that is magical instead of the actual trope definition of a database that seems to have far too much information on solving a crime.

I believe that this trope needs a rename and possibly an actual trope for databases that are magical created.

edited 13th Jan '12 12:32:12 PM by shimaspawn

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 2 Dr Starky, Fri, 13th Jan '12 12:44:30 PM from Corn And Pig Land Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
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Impossibly Useful Crime Database?

Omnipresent Crime Database?
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Maybe Omniscient Police Database

edited 13th Jan '12 3:25:30 PM by NoirGrimoir

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 4 lebrel, Fri, 13th Jan '12 3:35:33 PM from Basement, Ivory Tower
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They're not always specifically a police database, so just Omniscient Database?

Or, for a reeeealy obscure shout-out, Enquire Within Upon Everything.
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 5 shimaspawn, Fri, 13th Jan '12 3:38:31 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] It is actually specifically a law enforcement database in order to count as this trope. The definition is pretty explicit about that.

That name would just get misuse of a different sort.

edited 13th Jan '12 3:38:57 PM by shimaspawn

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 7 Ghilz, Sat, 14th Jan '12 1:09:13 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I've honestly not encountered the misuse Shimaspawn's stated. While I don't doubt it exist, it could perhaps be useful to get an idea of how widespread it is before we rename the trope?

I've checked 10 links in the Related To (Not a big sample, I know) and not found any that immediately seemed wrong (One had no elaboration). I did find one that was a Magical Database who included Magical-related stuff (Demons), but it was still an example.

It is actually specifically a law enforcement database in order to count as this trope.

Not really what the trope says. It says it's primarily used in Police Procedural, but nothing prevents it from not being law enforcement-operated or even related.


It's worth pointing out that a database being magical doesn't make not an example if it actually meets the definition. If its being magical is a sort of handwave for the detailed information it has.

edited 14th Jan '12 1:21:24 PM by Ghilz

 8 shimaspawn, Sat, 14th Jan '12 1:21:38 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Just a few quick ones I hadn't fixed. This is one of those tropes I've been trying to keep cleaned up while I waited for a TRS slot for it.

The laconic and the definition actually outright state that it's a crime solving trope. I realise a database can be both magical and this trope. The problem is that people keep adding wiks that are just magical.

edited 14th Jan '12 1:23:37 PM by shimaspawn

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 9 Ghilz, Sat, 14th Jan '12 1:31:38 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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The laconic and the definition actually outright state that it's a crime solving trope.

It's used in Angel to identify the Monster of the Week, which doesn't really make that different from identifying a perp. Also, Angel and Co ARE Detective, and it's used to identify demon perps (In its first appearance , a demon who did a kidnapping)

The Artemis Fowl example might be good, since the character named in it works for some sort of magical law enforcement (Someone who read the stuff can prolly better clarify)

edited 14th Jan '12 1:32:25 PM by Ghilz

 10 Ghilz, Sat, 14th Jan '12 1:49:26 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Just adding that while I do think they tend to appear in connection to the police, they aren't always. I can think of many examples that fit the trope, but aren't owned or operated by police:

Batman has a ton of databases on everything with ludicrous amounts of detail and information. It's often pointed out that these are not just police-related. Several are just his own work (somehow) (Hence him solving crimes the cops can't). Batman's not a cop, but he's still an example.

A magical example: The Dresden Files, Harry has a Spirit called Bob The Skull, in Harry's own words, Bob is a magical sentient computer. Bob's used the same way a magical database, but regarding the supernatural. Also used to solve crimes. Overlaps with Great Big Book of Everything.

Perhaps some sort of split/Super Trope is needed.

One supertrope "X is used to identify stuff. Sometimes to fight crime. Or to ID and defeat the Monster of the Week." and another for "Police Procedural having Databases on stuff no sane man would make a database of" (ie: "I've put the half eaten hot dog on the national registry of hot dog saussages to find what hot dog stand the murderer worked at!")

edited 14th Jan '12 1:57:19 PM by Ghilz

 11 shimaspawn, Sat, 14th Jan '12 1:50:46 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] I believe I actually saw that hotdog thing on CSI... I do think that they would be a good split and I do think that there's room for a trope about databases that are actually magical.
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 12 Ghilz, Sat, 14th Jan '12 1:54:43 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I believe I actually saw that hotdog thing on CSI...

I was typing it and I swear I was thinking "Am I making this up, or did I see this? Coz this gives me a strange feeling of Déja Vu."

Glad to know I wasn't insane!
 13 shimaspawn, Sat, 14th Jan '12 1:58:10 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Ok, tropes I see here:

  • Database that has everything you could possibly think of in it.
  • Database that the heroes use to look up information to fight crime/bad guys.
  • Improbable police database of hot dogs. (I would like to call this Police Hot Dog Database but that's just me.)
  • Database that is magical.

edited 14th Jan '12 1:58:51 PM by shimaspawn

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 14 Ghilz, Sat, 14th Jan '12 2:14:26 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I'd propose the following

edited 14th Jan '12 2:18:45 PM by Ghilz

 15 shimaspawn, Sat, 14th Jan '12 2:38:43 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Sounds good to me
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 16 Dragon Quest Z, Sat, 14th Jan '12 2:40:55 PM from Somewhere in California
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Looks good to me as well.
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 17 Ghilz, Sat, 14th Jan '12 2:54:21 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Suspiciously Specific Police Database (assuming we go for that name or something else) could just be a renamed Magical Database with a short wick clean up (there's not that many wicks). The current definitions are almost identical.

The other two would have to go through YKTTW.
 18 Dragon Quest Z, Sat, 14th Jan '12 3:00:39 PM from Somewhere in California
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Or Super Specific Police Database, as the "suspicious" part might cause confusion over the similarity to Suspiciously Specific Denial.
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 19 Martello, Sat, 14th Jan '12 7:04:18 PM from Black River, NY
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Police Hotdog Database would be awesome. Almost as awesome as using hotdogs as currency.
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The actual database on magic Akashic Records should be in that list too.

edited 14th Jan '12 7:10:16 PM by Raso

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For the police-procedural version ... Suspiciously Specific Suspect Database?
 22 Dragon Quest Z, Sat, 14th Jan '12 7:38:02 PM from Somewhere in California
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That makes me think the database was rigged to point to another person.
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 23 Noir Grimoir, Sat, 14th Jan '12 9:44:44 PM from San Diego, CA
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Exactly, they aren't "specific" they are "thorough" and "overly knowledgeable".
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Alternative Titles: Magical Database
26th Aug '12 3:14:11 AM
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