Who else knows about Paul Wolfowitz?:

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1 Serocco12th Jan 2012 07:01:08 PM from Miami, Florida , Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Nobody ever talks about him; I can't be the only troper that even knows of his name. Does anyone know who he is?

I'll tell you. Officially, he was the Deputy Secretary of Defense under Don Rumsfeld; Wolfowitz resigned amid some scandal or something. Later became president of the World Bank, but was forced to resign due to his incompetence.

For those that find something familiar about his name, you might've remembered that there was a document by Wolfowitz and his protege, Scooter Libby. It was nicknamed the Wolfowitz Doctrine by a few. The document talked about unilateralism, US Superpower status, US primacy, Preemptive intervention, oil and a (now non-existent) Russian threat; the outrage from it was so bad that Cheney and Powell had to rewrite it into a slightly more "family friendly" version.

Much of the stuff that the Wolfowitz Doctrine outlined would later be used for the Bush Doctrine in foreign policy. This was a strategy that Wolfowitz wanted to use "for insuring no rivals develop a one-superpower world". Put very basically, Wolfowitz was the man behind the foreign policy (at least in Iraq) for the Bush administration. His ideas regarding other countries speaks for itself, as well.

If there are any details I missed, feel free to reveal them.

edited 12th Jan '12 7:56:07 PM by Serocco

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I knew of him, and thought him an asshole. I don't see what's the point of this discussion thread, though.
3 Flyboy12th Jan 2012 08:24:46 PM from the United States
Yet another excuse for a politician who wants to play army with taxpayer-funded and American-staffed high-tech weaponry in the boondocks of the world and kill tens of thousands in the process.

He can get in line.

In other words, he's a worthless fuckwit, like every other neoconservative. Next.
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4 NickTheSwing12th Jan 2012 09:22:11 PM from Ya really wanna know? , Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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And, the Man Behind the Man emerges.

I was wondering when the masterminds would show up.
5 Barkey12th Jan 2012 09:59:48 PM from Bunker 051 , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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I know of him, but my interest in him was always eclipsed by how much I hated Rumsfeld for not just being a shitty Sec Def in every possible way, but a shitty person.

Not to mention that he had the audacity to make stoplossing par for the course for a little while. That was one of the biggest blows to overseas morale in this entire decade of war.

If I could pick any two people from the Bush Administration to publicly execute, it'd be Rumsfeld and Cheney, everyone else has committed small sins by comparison.

edited 12th Jan '12 10:00:26 PM by Barkey

The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
6 Flyboy12th Jan 2012 10:04:12 PM from the United States
..."stoplosses?" What's that?

Also, this fucker, if I recall correctly, successfully turned Indonesia into a Right-wing hell via his political influence when he held some kind of position there. Or perhaps I'm thinking of the wrong person/place/action. Anybody know what I'm attempting to remember at midnight?
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7 Barkey12th Jan 2012 10:09:01 PM from Bunker 051 , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Being stoplossed means that when the end of your contract comes up and you decide you don't want to re-enlist, you are kept re-enlisted indefinitely until they decide to let you go. If you refuse, you are considered AWOL. Only the secdef and above can order a stoploss, and until the Iraq war it was an extreme rarity. When Rumsfeld was Sec Def, he was stoplossing combat arms troops like it was no tomorrow, barring them from leaving military service when their contract was up and sending them back to the sandbox for another tour. He really was blurring the lines between a volunteer military and conscription for a while there.

edited 12th Jan '12 10:09:28 PM by Barkey

The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
8 Flyboy12th Jan 2012 10:11:31 PM from the United States


Oh fuck that shit, how did I not hear about that? What a... there is no expletive strong enough to describe him and everyone of his ilk properly.
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[up][up][up] Wolfowitz ambassadorship to Indonesia is 86-89. at that time Suharto New Order already strong and stable, so he could not be blamed. His ambassadorship is quite successful, Jewish in Muslim countries, but managed to learn Indonesian and dialogue with lot of important people.
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He's an utterly despicable human being.
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11 Barkey13th Jan 2012 05:08:44 AM from Bunker 051 , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Oh fuck that shit, how did I not hear about that? What a... there is no expletive strong enough to describe him and everyone of his ilk properly.

They even made a dramatic movie about it called Stoploss.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
Wolfowitz is more than a typical neoconservative. He served as an aide to Democratic Senator Henry M. Jackson, a Cold War liberal supporting higher military spending and a hard line against the Soviet Union, while also supporting social welfare programs, civil rights, and labor unions. Wolfowitz heavily disagreed with the latter three positions held by Jackson. A supporter of Israel, Wolfowitz opposed opening dialogue with the Palestinian Liberation Organization (or the Authority), and spoke against selling an E-3 Sentry fighter-craft to Saudi Arabia.

From then on, Wolfowitz would bring future members of the Bush administration together, from Pearle and Rove, to Rice and Ashcroft. He was the Director of policy planning under Reagan, he was the Ambassador to Indonesia, he was an assistant to Kissinger, he was the Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, and he was the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy under Cheney. He kept advocating for the redeployment of U.S. troops in permanent bases throughout the world, where they can be ready to act to "protect U.S. interests abroad".

The PMC activities (like Blackwater, Halliburton and KBR) in Middle-Eastern countries, from Iraq, Sudan and Afghanistan, to Bosnia, Somalia, Haiti and Darfur? That was Wolfowitz, since he was, in effect, the head of American military policy in all Republican administrations post-Eisenhower. The PMCs' immunity from foreign law (like in Iraq)? An idea proposed by Wolfowitz, and carried out by everyone else. The pushing for the Iraq War? Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were the ones spearheading that. The idea that weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq? Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. The idea tat Saddam Hussein was involved with Al-Qaeda? Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. The strategy of occupying southern Iraq with ground troops? Wolfowitz again. The stoplossing enacted by Rumsfeld? That was advice from Wolfowitz.

When asked about reconstruction efforts in Iraq after the war, he said that oil revenue earned by Iraq alone would pay for Iraqs' reconstruction, even though we kept taking their oil supplies during the war.

edited 13th Jan '12 8:09:58 AM by Sledgesaul

I dislike making double posts, but I felt I needed to post this bit of info out as well. I'd advise you to read the one above before this.

In the first emergency meeting of the National Security Council post-9/11, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld used every available opportunity to press the Iraq War case to Congress and the like. The idea was initially rejected at the behest of Colin Powell, but Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz held secret meetings about opening up a front against Saddam; Powell was excluded. In such meetings, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld created a policy that would later be dubbed the Bush Doctrine (based on the Wolfowitz Doctrine), centering on preemptive attacks and the war on Iraq, which the "Project for a New American Century" (a neoconservative think tank that promotes global American leadership) had advocated in their letters before the meetings.

The intelligence services were tasked with finding WM Ds and providing justification for the attack, but, according to British journalist John Kampfner, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz believed that the established security services "were too bureaucratic and too traditional in their thinking." As a result, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz set up what came to be known as the 'cabal', a cell of eight or nine analysts in a new Office of Special Plans (OSP) based in the U.S. Defense Department. According to an unnamed Pentagon source quoted by someone named Hersh, the OSP "was created in order to find evidence of what Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld believed to be true — that Saddam Hussein had close ties to Al Qaeda, and that Iraq had an enormous arsenal of chemical, biological, and possibly even nuclear weapons that threatened the region and, potentially, the United States."

Within months of being set up, the OSP rivaled both the CIA and the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency, the DIA, as President Bush’s main source of intelligence regarding Iraq’s possible possession of weapons of mass destruction and connection with Al Qaeda. Hersh explains that the OSP relied on data gathered by other intelligence agencies and also on information provided by the Iraqi National Congress, or I.N.C., the exile group headed by Ahmad Chalabi (also the ones that Wolfowitz wanted to take over Iraq after Saddam was ousted).

According to Kampfner, the CIA had ended its funding of the I.N.C. "in the mid-1990s when doubts were cast about Chalabi’s reliability." Nevertheless "as the administration geared up for conflict with Saddam, Chalabi was welcomed in the inner sanctum of the Pentagon" under the auspices of the OSP, and Wolfowitz did not see fit to challenge any of Chalabi’s information. In essence, the actions of the OSP (Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld) led to the Bush administration "fixing intelligence to support policy" (as Kampfner put it) with the aim of influencing Congress in its use of the War Powers Act.

I'll reiterate what Serocco said - why wasn't Wolfowitz on headline news for all that?

edited 13th Jan '12 8:30:53 AM by Sledgesaul


Headline news, like all other major corporate institutions, could (not, but they believe so) stand to gain from his actions.
15 Serocco14th Jan 2012 06:01:21 AM from Miami, Florida , Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
[up] What do you mean? He's self-destructive?
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16 Greenmantle14th Jan 2012 06:06:11 AM from Greater Wessex, Britannia , Relationship Status: Hiding

No, that war increases Ratings, Newspapers Sales and, at the end of it all, Profit. I think that was what he meant.
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