15 wicks and duplicate to Call a Human a Meatbag: Son Of An Ape

You've failed to notice that the name of the character Glory is potholed under Eldritch Abomination—not Vampire.

So, again, no vampires in examples "literally" use the term "meatbag".

Hell, bringing vampires into this just screws everything up even more. On one hand, we have examples where a non-human species derisively refers to human biology. On the other, a non-human species that consumes on humans openly refers to their prey as food/consumables (this includes every example with a vampire on the page).

edited 4th Mar '12 3:14:57 PM by SeanMurrayI

I suppose it's going to depend on how we want to define our insult tropes and whether we want to focus on what makes them insults or not. In many cases where the slur is between something like a robot and a human, it's the robot claiming the human has a negative quality, similar to stupidity or ugliness insults, the goal is to say "you have/lack a quality, and that makes you a failure/loser". When it's a vampire doing it, it's a dehumanizing insult, where the goal of the insult is to tell the receiver "you're not really a person to me".

Fight smart, not fair.

Precisely.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Calling crowner.

I didn't write any of that.

There was consensus to act here. Let's see some movement, please.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

I edited the description a bit, but I don't have time at the moment for examples or the discussion.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Any progress at all here?

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I'm going to start two YKTTW so we have supertropes for these. I'm thinking Dehumanizing Insult and Inferiority Insult Negative Trait Insult.

edited 7th Jun '12 1:26:53 PM by Deboss

Fight smart, not fair.

"Negative Trait Insult" seems way too general and unnecessary, and it appears that people who've already responded to that YKTTW would agree.

And both Son of an Ape and Call a Human a "Meatbag" would already have a supertrope in Fantastic Racism. Would that make "Dehumanizing Insult" (which isn't a good name for a trope, either, seeing that it would not be unreasonable to identify human beings dehumanizing each other) a supertrope that is a subtrope to an existing supertrope? Do we really need the middleman?

edited 7th Jun '12 2:43:50 PM by SeanMurrayI

Not all supertropes are directly related, some tropes are just an intersection of two supertropes.

Fight smart, not fair.

Supertropes have to be directly related to their subtropes; otherwise, it has no business being called a supertrope (or its supposed subtropes called "subtropes").

As I see it, Fantastic Racism / Fantastic Slur (take your pick) would be the equivalent of a page called Fruit, Son of an Ape and Call a Human a "Meatbag" (at present) would be Apples and Oranges, respectively, and the proposed "Dehumanizing Insult"*

would be Apples And Oranges, but what good does having a page for Apples And Oranges bring us if we're already cataloging Apples and Oranges separately?

I say either disregard the crowner and make the Apples And Oranges page while cutting the more particular pages for Apples and Oranges (or, in other words, just merge Son of an Ape and Call a Human a "Meatbag"), or just work to keep the Apples and Oranges separate under the existing Fruit supertrope. Having pages for Apples, Oranges, Apples And Oranges, and Fruit, I feel, makes something in that equation redundant and, consequently, unnecessary.

EDIT: You know, "Dehumanizing Insult" wouldn't even be a supertrope to Call a Human a "Meatbag" because I just remembered that we've already established in this discussion that Call a Human a "Meatbag" isn't necessarily limited to referring to just human beings and can just as easily refer to insults directed at anthropomorphized cats.

edited 9th Jun '12 2:27:36 PM by SeanMurrayI

Right, we discussed that it was a problem with Call a Human a "Meatbag", it can be used two or so different ways. When a robot calls a human a meat bag, it tends to be used in a derogatory "pitiful fleshlings" way, when it's a vampire (or equivalent) it tends to be "who told the food it was allowed to speak" way.

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You mean, "When a robot (non-organic being) calls an organic being a 'meatbag'"; otherwise, present examples with anthropomorphized cats (read: "There are no humans in the page image") and other non-human organics receiving the insult wouldn't belong in either of those camps.

edited 10th Jun '12 6:49:47 AM by SeanMurrayI

Right. Somebody built a trope around the words instead of the intent. Perhaps dividing into Fantastic Slur directed at human and some sort of "racist robot" trope?

Fight smart, not fair.

And it's again been stale for over a month. This is the third time, so locking up.

edited 24th Jul '12 9:50:37 AM by ccoa

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