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Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#26: Jan 5th 2012 at 6:30:54 PM

I, frankly, don't give a damn what you want, because what you want is destroying society as we know it.

Again, I know, I know, you don't care. Well, neither do I—about your opinion on this matter. We shall agree to disagree.

As for circumventing the treaty, they'd never let them launch this. It would be stopped at the launch pad, at best.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
GreatLich Since: Jun, 2009
#27: Jan 5th 2012 at 6:44:20 PM

Oh lol, hyperbole much?

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#28: Jan 5th 2012 at 6:48:21 PM

@Flyboy: Not liking how various wold governments and corporations are censoring the internet is causing the downfall of civilization? Never would have guessed.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#29: Jan 5th 2012 at 6:54:01 PM

@Great Lich,

If you say so.

@DG,

I honestly don't think that's really as bad as unchecked technological expansion.

Most people (who are worth listening to) at least acknowledge that those things with corporations and government are actually bad...

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#30: Jan 5th 2012 at 6:58:33 PM

@Flyboy: Well, it wouldn't be unchecked, really. Technology can only expand as fast as funding allows, and going into space is expensive.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#31: Jan 5th 2012 at 7:02:35 PM

The space travel isn't the problem. The internet is.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#32: Jan 5th 2012 at 7:04:32 PM

The internet is destroying society? -confused-

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#33: Jan 5th 2012 at 7:06:48 PM

The world as we know it.

Some of it is good, of course. Some of it is absolutely terrible, as well. Problem is, there are quite a few people encouraging the absolutely terrible shit without offering any sane or politically plausible backup plans to fix it.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#34: Jan 5th 2012 at 8:32:12 PM

That's an awful broad statement without any evidence to really back it up.

Might wanna sign off, lest you become a homicidal maniac.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#35: Jan 5th 2012 at 8:36:04 PM

Flyboy: I am sorry, but you do not have a leg to stand on with that statement.

As for a private non-government influenced satelite system as disucssed. It has potential. Then again nothing is stopping one of the various governments from damaging or destroying such a venture. I find it interesting in theory.

How would one access this network outside of established networks as we know them?

Who watches the watchmen?
Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
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#36: Jan 5th 2012 at 8:37:41 PM

You want evidence? SOPA is your evidence. SOPA is the realization of the publishing companies that the entertainment industry as a whole is effectively obsolete, as far as economic models go, and the only politically viable alternative model is straight out of goddamn Shakespeare's time.

That is what the internet has wrought. Most likely, given the Arab Spring, that's also only the tip of the spear.

edited 5th Jan '12 8:40:12 PM by Flyboy

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#37: Jan 5th 2012 at 8:41:54 PM

Can we please get something more specific than "Entertainment industries are threatened, look at the crazy shit they do in response?" Just give an example of how you think the internet is killing everything. Though honestly, this should probably be a new thread...

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#38: Jan 5th 2012 at 8:44:13 PM

Tell you what Flyboy go create another thread to rail in and try and prove your point. Good luck with that.

Another concern. What would stop outside entities from accessing this network and abusing it or taking it down from within?

edited 5th Jan '12 8:44:32 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Who watches the watchmen?
Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#39: Jan 5th 2012 at 8:45:42 PM

^

The fact that a joint effort of some of the worlds best hackers are the ones who came up with the idea? If there's anyone qualified to protect it, it's them.

Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
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#40: Jan 5th 2012 at 8:46:39 PM

Considering how rapidly online shopping is rendering brick-and-mortar obsolete, there's another thing we'll have to deal with in a decade or two.

Of course, it doesn't seem like a bad thing until you realize that the net number of jobs created by the warehouses and software maintenance will ultimately be less than there were before.

TIME Magazine put it very well. For the moment, good education and social policy can keep us ahead, politically, of our own technology. But eventually, we will simply not be able to keep up with it. Technology, the very thing meant to save us—our time, our money, our energy—will be our own undoing. Human success will effectively self-destruct, as our social policy is rendered irrelevant by our vaunted "progress."


In any case, they'd probably be better off finding some random-ass island out in the Pacific to set this shit up on. It might last slightly longer than a satellite grid, which even if they got it up would only take a few F-15 Eagles to dismantle...

edited 5th Jan '12 8:47:42 PM by Flyboy

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#41: Jan 5th 2012 at 8:48:00 PM

Then embrace the coming implosion. The entertainment industry is a waste anyway.

It's just a separate network, nobody is going to shoot it down. It's the same as if you started your own private network on a college.

edited 5th Jan '12 8:48:37 PM by Barkey

Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
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#42: Jan 5th 2012 at 8:50:10 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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GreatLich Since: Jun, 2009
#43: Jan 5th 2012 at 9:00:39 PM

How would one access this network outside of established networks as we know them?
A satellite dish and a decoder of sorts, I'd imagine this would be much like existing satellite technology. What's more interesting is how they plan to hook it up to existing networks. As those points would be the obvious weaknesses in the scheme. And no, they can't be completely insular either, that would defeat the point of an interconnected network...

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#44: Jan 5th 2012 at 9:20:09 PM

Hmm so basically like standard dish networks. I was wondering if they were going to maybe aim for a unique technological innovation.

edited 5th Jan '12 9:20:26 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Who watches the watchmen?
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#45: Jan 5th 2012 at 10:05:31 PM

Having some aspirations to be a writer, I have to admit that I like the idea of copyright. However, given that you're saying it's going to be like Shakespeare's time soon for the entertainment industry.... well, it was like that for hundreds of years. And quite a few managed to get along just fine, including Shakespeare. The internet is not going to be the death of the entertainment industry, it will just be a factor that changes it. Like the invention of motion film and TV did. It's hardly going to kill off the writers and actors and animators.

On topic.... I really don't see us getting a "second internet" or whatever. I mean, do these guys even have the money to launch these things? If anything, it's going to become an exclusive hacker's club that keeps out anyone else because then they'd have to deal with the mainstream people just looking for entertainment and news and blogging sites.

nnokwoodeye Since: Jan, 2001
#46: Jan 6th 2012 at 3:28:34 AM

you know, this remind me of an idea I once had where any computer/iphone/etc' would just connect to any other device in its vicinity creating a kind of peer to peer internet, do you think something like this is possible (I am not very technology savvy so I don't know)

GreatLich Since: Jun, 2009
#47: Jan 6th 2012 at 2:42:31 PM

Hmm so basically like standard dish networks. I was wondering if they were going to maybe aim for a unique technological innovation.
Initiatives like these work best with cheap, off the shelf consumer products; to keep the barrier to entry as low as possible. The more participants you get, the better the chances of success.

edited 6th Jan '12 2:43:10 PM by GreatLich

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#48: Jan 6th 2012 at 4:15:14 PM

Ain't gonna happen, unfortunately, because, as always it comes down to money? First they'd have to pay for the satellites, then they'd have to pay fpr them to be launched and before either of these they'd have to pay for the lawyers and/or bribes to keep various governments from getting in the way.

Trump delenda est
Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#49: Jan 6th 2012 at 9:19:47 PM

I don't see it as being too crazy for private parties to want to fund this, namely people who want a secure network they can store things on without government oversight. There are lots of people in such a position with lots of money.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#50: Jan 6th 2012 at 9:25:13 PM

There is already a slowly growing private space industry. The biggest issue will be gaining the money to afford the satelites and the launches.

Good point on low barrier to entry.

Who watches the watchmen?

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