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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#1: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:23:55 PM

This came up in a recent discussion. It's apparently a wiki trope, but it has only five lines of text, no examples whatsoever, 6 wicks, and 53 inbounds. And one of the sillier names I've seen in awhile :)

It's clearly not healthy. Can we fix this somehow, perhaps by moving it to YKTTW, or is it ripe for the cutlist?

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#2: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:27:21 PM

Wiki Tropes are not what you think they are. They are not standard tropes with examples. Instead they are shorthand phrases for things on the wiki that come up again and again. They're a guide to new tropes and tropes for the wiki itself. They're more a form of Administrivia than anything else. Pages that explain to new users how our wiki works. As such, they don't need actual examples.

edited 3rd Jan '12 1:29:09 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#3: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:29:42 PM

And as such, there's nothing that needs "repairing" about this one.

edited 3rd Jan '12 1:29:51 PM by Madrugada

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DrMcNinja Batman Since: May, 2011
Batman
#4: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:35:52 PM

Can someone explain what the heck is this thing (I refuse to call it trope) about? Is it Just for Fun or something like that? Because I simply can't understand it.

There are no heroes left in Man.
Mimimurlough Since: Apr, 2009
#5: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:37:36 PM

Seconding. I think the proper term is WTF.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#6: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:37:53 PM

It's administrivia. It's explaining how things work on the wiki to people unfamiliar with it.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#7: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:45:34 PM

Wait a second...

As I understand it, wikis are a work. Not just this wiki, but any wiki. As such, they have associated tropes, that can be analyzed and documented. That's our goal here, no? So for example, given another wiki trope like All Blue Entry, I could add an example of how Uncyclopedia does that, or how That Other Wiki has a strict policy against it.

Wouldn't that be an example of a trope in a work? Or am I being too radical here?

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#8: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:45:56 PM

[up][up]Administrivia is not necessarily the same as a Wiki Trope. I don't see any reason why this should even be called a Wiki Trope, anyway.

I do feel it's pertinent to ask, however, "Is this a pre-existing phrase?''

edited 3rd Jan '12 1:48:47 PM by SeanMurrayI

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#9: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:48:19 PM

It's not an intuitive name, regardless. I thought it was a trope in fiction about herding animals, when Hilarity Ensues. Or about crazy ways that get animals to cooperate.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
DrMcNinja Batman Since: May, 2011
Batman
#10: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:49:51 PM

This is explaining how things work in the same sense I'm Batman. If I understood something about how the wiki works with this page then I'm also Spiderman.

There are no heroes left in Man.
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#11: Jan 3rd 2012 at 1:57:19 PM

[up] Given your forum name, that is actually pretty funny cool

So anyway, my point is that "tropes on wikis" is something different from "administrativia on this wiki". Given that we have a category for the latter, I don't think that our category Wiki Tropes really means "T Vtropes administrativia".

That said, if this is meant to be a wiki trope, then it needs serious expansion and a rename. If this is meant to be administrativia, then it should be removed from the trope index (and then I still fail to see the point, but as far as I know we don't delete administrative pages ever). IMHO, of course.

(edit) Hm, I think the way to go here is to close this thread and start a general cleanup effort on Wiki Tropes.

edited 3rd Jan '12 1:58:21 PM by Spark9

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#12: Jan 3rd 2012 at 2:01:28 PM

[up]If it's intended to be Administrivia it should be go into better detail and be rewritten so as to be more easily understood.

DrMcNinja Batman Since: May, 2011
Batman
#13: Jan 3rd 2012 at 2:03:45 PM

[up][up] I see what you did there... [lol]

Yeah, I agree with both [up] of you [up][up]

There are no heroes left in Man.
Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
Dragon Writer
#14: Jan 4th 2012 at 12:29:00 AM

Instead they are shorthand phrases for things on the wiki that come up again and again.
Nope. That's Predefined Messages.

Administrivia is strictly TV Tropes-related subjects: Guidelines, policy, etc. And more than any other section of the wiki its titles need to be clear over witty.

If Wiki Tropes is about wikis in general, then Tropes-specific articles don't belong. On the other hand, if it's about TV Tropes in specific, perhaps it needs a new name?

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#15: Jan 5th 2012 at 1:40:08 PM

I'll start a thread about the whole Wiki Tropes page as soon as the TRS opens.

In the meantime, I posit that this page, either as a trope for wikis in general, or as an administrativium for this wiki, is void of content and utterly pointless, and I move to cutlist it.

(and in case you were wondering, no, it's not an established term either).

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Firebert That One Guy from Somewhere in Illinois Since: Jan, 2001
SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#17: Jan 5th 2012 at 1:49:54 PM

I'd support a cut, too.

Unless someone working site administration wants to briefly explain what message this page is supposed to have for the rest of us. Then we can see what we can do about stating that message in clear and sufficient detail.

edited 5th Jan '12 1:50:23 PM by SeanMurrayI

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#18: Jan 5th 2012 at 2:01:27 PM

It's funny.

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