Splitting: My Name Is Not Durwood get usage counts

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126 lu12713th Jan 2013 11:24:48 AM from the Forest of Thorns , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
"Means well but is clueless that the person being named doesn't like it" is a different sandbox. We aren't lumping that. The Intentional Misnaming sandbox, however, has a variation of "uses it intentionally as a form of teasing because they have an Odd Friendship."
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127 Madrugada13th Jan 2013 01:35:39 PM , Relationship Status: In season
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Here is exactly what's in the sandbox for Intentional Misnaming:

Another possibility is that the two individuals have an Odd Friendship, and person A refers to person B that way as a form of casual teasing. Person B may dislike the nickname, but Person A is too daft to realise that.

It very clearly includes both misnaming that has no ill-will and isn't minded by the misnamee (The first sentence) and well-meant misnaming intended as teasing that is disliked by the victim, and presumes that the misnamer is clueless. (The second one.)

If the trope is intended to be "Misnaming to indicate that one character doesn't like or doesn't respect the other, done with ill-will" — which is what the rest of the definition says, neither of those parts should be there.

Because the three variants are used differently and usually have very different results in how the audience feels about the person who is doing the misnaming. In the case of an Odd Friendship, the result is largely dependent on the context of the rest of the relationship. In the case of the person who is clueless about the fact that the other person doesn't like it, the misnaming accentuates thier foolishness, cluelessness or social ineptitude, but doesn't make them less sympathetic by itself. In the case of intentional misnaming from dislike, it makes the misnamer less sympathetic to the audience.

Three different ways to handle it, three different results from the audience, three different tropes.

edited 13th Jan '13 1:35:57 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Yes, but when it's teasing done between friends, the intent is still to cause minor annoyance. Does it really need to be another trope with the distinction being only how annoying the nicknamer intends to be?
129 Madrugada13th Jan 2013 02:53:59 PM , Relationship Status: In season
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I don't know. I think so. Rather like I think there's a rather important distinction to be made between a 16-pound sledge hammer and a 7-ounce tack hammer. You don't use them interchangeably for the same job. Well, you could, but depending on the job you wantto do, one will work much better than the other one.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
To me, the distinction seems kind of trivial. Yeah, it's a little different, but I think they're close enough that you can lump them together.
I think Madrugada may have a point, but if the two have to be lumped, certainly it shouldn't be under "Malicious Misnaming," the leading option on the crowner. (This is as I recall it; old crowners are now glitched up beyond all recognition.)

edited 2nd Apr '13 5:26:35 PM by Prfnoff

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What was the definition again?

I recently spotted (what's probably just) an isolated case on the Ōkami page. I don't think it fits because (1) Ammy's silent, so she never seems to mind, and (2) Issun never seems to mind either.
133 BlueGuy12th May 2013 04:00:57 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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Bump.

I'm sorry if this has come up before, but did we decide on "Accidental Misnaming" for that trope?
134 Willbyr27th May 2013 10:30:00 PM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Calling for Malicious Misnaming. Make it so.

edited 27th May '13 10:30:10 PM by Willbyr

135 MacronNotes27th May 2013 10:57:46 PM , Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
Alright, I've moved Intentional Misnaming's content to Malicious Misnaming and cutlisted it . For the accidental variant, should we go with Accidental Misnaming?
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[up]I don't see why not.
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137 SeptimusHeap28th May 2013 12:28:24 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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Sure.
138 Willbyr28th May 2013 03:55:56 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Sounds good.
139 Spark928th May 2013 04:06:16 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Yes.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
140 DRCEQ28th May 2013 04:25:27 AM , Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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Sure.
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141 SeptimusHeap28th May 2013 11:48:24 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
'Kay, did the split action under the suggested name, made a note to crosswick and cutlisted the sandbox. Now, only the fun job of shifting through 1303 wicks remains.
As I pointed out earlier, not all intentional misnaming is malicious. Therefore a two-way split between Malicious Misnaming and Accidental Misnaming does not work, no matter what the crowner says.
143 Spark930th May 2013 03:02:09 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] I don't agree with that. The split is just fine, we might need a third trope for Purposeful But Not Malicious Misnaming if you can give us some good examples of that.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
144 SeptimusHeap30th May 2013 03:02:46 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Agreeing with Spark 9 here.
[up][up]Here's one example I wrote, which like a few others was deleted merely because it wasn't copied to either of the sandbox pages:

  • In State of the Union, Grant Matthews used to call his wife Mary "Maizie" just to tease her, and she feels unloved because he doesn't call her that anymore.

I'll note that Mary says that "you don't tease people that way unless you love each other."
That's a pet name, not this trope. At most, it would be Insult of Endearment.
[up]It is this trope, or rather was before we split it.
148 Spark930th May 2013 06:47:38 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] But it is also Insult of Endearment, so the examples have a place to go.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
Perhaps this trope should include Insult as an alternative in the disambiguation, if that has been the (mis)use.

edited 30th May '13 7:23:14 AM by crazysamaritan

Still new. Still learning. Asking questions and making mistakes.
No, it doesn't, so long as Insult of Endearment stipulates: "In order for it to be this trope, the original nicknamer has to change from using the name as a deliberate insult to using it as a term of endearment."

Alternative Titles: My Name Is Not Durwood
9th Jan '13 11:40:52 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
My Name Is Not Durwood is getting split into accidental and malicious misnaming. Pick a name for this sandbox.

Laconic: Using a permutation of someone's name in a insulting/derisive/malicious way.

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