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76 BlueGuy21st Sep 2012 04:54:20 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
77 Spark922nd Sep 2012 12:55:21 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
We need to decide on the new names, so here is an alt titles crowner. Feel free to add more suggestions.
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78 nrjxll22nd Sep 2012 12:41:51 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
One of those might be the worst rename suggestion I've seen in a while.
79 SeptimusHeap22nd Sep 2012 12:45:45 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up][up]That is a weird crowner. Are we casting one vote for two things at once?

80 BlueGuy22nd Sep 2012 02:24:16 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
[up] Since having two crowners would be unfeasible, I'd suggest splitting the names and having "(accidental)" or "(intentional)" affixed to each option.

For example, "Accidental Misnaming (accidental)" and "Malicious Misnaming (intentional)"

Either that, or just split them normally. For the most part, the names show which trope they are quite well (except the one I think [up][up] is referring to - that really is a terrible name).

edited 22nd Sep '12 2:24:32 PM by BlueGuy

81 SeptimusHeap22nd Sep 2012 02:28:36 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Actually, in such cases we make two crowners in a row - first for Trope A and then for Trope B.
82 BlueGuy22nd Sep 2012 02:32:31 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
So we should split them then.
83 Spark922nd Sep 2012 03:57:40 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
The reason is that these are two related tropes, so it makes sense to give them related names.

This is not a common situation, so there is no precedent afaik to do it either this way or another way; however, it is obvious that if we have two separate crowners, then (1) this will take much much longer to resolve, and (2) we run the risk that one crowner has a widely different result from the other. Since we're splitting one trope into two, it makes sense to have one central crowner on how to do that; not "do one now, and we might get to the other later at some point, maybe".
Special trousers. Very heroic.
84 Ironeye23rd Sep 2012 03:27:01 PM from SoCal , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
With Mod Hat On
Crowner locked. Come up with trope descriptions before you start trying to name things. Once you have the descriptions, the names for each trope should be decided separately.
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85 BlueGuy23rd Sep 2012 04:40:14 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
Alright, I've written up some descriptions for Accidental Misnaming and Intentional Misnaming. There's no examples from either - later I'll probably try to sort the examples on My Name Is Not Durwood, and I've got a placeholder saying just that on both pages.

EDIT: I've got part of the Anime & Manga folder down, with each example sorted into "Intentional", "Accidental", "Could be both", "Ambiguous", and "Unsorted".

edited 23rd Sep '12 5:18:18 PM by BlueGuy

86 BlueGuy1st Oct 2012 03:57:56 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
87 johnnye19th Oct 2012 02:55:25 AM from Brighton, UK , Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
So what's going on with this?

I'm all for a split to Accidental Misnaming and Malicious Misnaming, if that hasn't been decided yet.

EDIT: One question; if we split this with no supertrope, what do we do with situations where it's ambiguous whether it's intentional or not?

edited 19th Oct '12 3:09:58 AM by johnnye

Zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor, so Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus.
[up]Is there a particular example of that which you can reference?

Without that, I'd be inclined to believe that unless there is more-than-obvious knowing intent on a character's part to call a another character by a wrong name (generally done out of dislike and spite), any case must be then be considered some form of being incapable of saying a correct name, which on the whole is "accidental" and no direct fault of the character (generally, but not exclusive to, some kind of mental/physical/vocal incapability or the side effect of something else that the character has no control over).

edited 19th Oct '12 11:43:38 AM by SeanMurrayI

89 Spark91st Nov 2012 01:18:28 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up][up] Apparently we need to create a crowner to decide descriptions on the two new tropes.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
90 SeptimusHeap1st Nov 2012 01:31:27 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Can't we just write one? I don't feel that crownering a description is a good idea.
91 lu12726th Dec 2012 07:33:05 AM from the Forest of Thorns , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
No, we really don't need a crowner for the descriptions. I restored Sandbox.Accidental Misnaming and Sandbox.Intentional Misnaming. All that's left before picking names is sorting, which should be easy enough. I'll grab the animanga folder.
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92 lu12727th Dec 2012 11:39:42 AM from the Forest of Thorns , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Knock, knock, anyone help with the sorting?
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93 SeptimusHeap27th Dec 2012 01:32:47 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The sandboxes already have examples, but you'll need to remove them from My Name Is Not Durwood or else we'll duplicate the work.

By the way:
  • FedEx ad is Accidental
  • The Brad ad is Intentional, maybe.
  • The "Anime in general" thing needs to go away, or be added to the description of the Intentional thing.
  • SD Gundam Force: Accidental.
  • Hayate: Put him on both.
  • Gintama: Accidental.
  • Ouran: Intentional?

This is all for now. I sure hope we'll not end up with something like High Octane Nightmare Fuel vs. Accidental Nightmare Fuel.
94 lu12727th Dec 2012 01:41:06 PM from the Forest of Thorns , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I've already thought of those. tongue

I'll only touch the main article itself after the sandboxes are ready to go.
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95 SeptimusHeap27th Dec 2012 01:49:06 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I am now confused. What do you need help with sorting with?
96 lu12727th Dec 2012 01:51:53 PM from the Forest of Thorns , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I'm wondering if anyone is willing to look at the rest of the examples? smile
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It doesn't bug me
[up]I'd love to help wrap this up. smile

On a different note:

I can think of at least one ambiguous example where a character intentionally calls another character an, if not affectionate, at least not mean spirited nickname, but is to daft to realize that the other character hates that nickname.

The description of Intentional Misnaming really only focuses on mean spirited nicknames, so going by that, this example would be a shoehorn.

In my mind Obliviously Annoying Nickname could be a third trope. If we could find more examples that is.
98 lu12730th Dec 2012 04:31:59 AM from the Forest of Thorns , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Thanks!

I'll tweak the description, since light teasing between friends seems to fall under the same umbrella.

Anime & Manga is done, as far as I could tell. I left the most ambiguous stuff out.

edited 30th Dec '12 4:39:58 AM by lu127

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99 lu1272nd Jan 2013 04:22:24 AM from the Forest of Thorns , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Tweaked. Finished the Visual Novel folder.

The examples are coming along well. I'll give another week to everyone who wants to sort, and then we can make the move.

Name suggestions now?
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100 SeptimusHeap2nd Jan 2013 08:31:34 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Malicious Misnaming and Wrong Name respectively.

Alternative Titles: My Name Is Not Durwood
9th Jan '13 11:40:52 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
My Name Is Not Durwood is getting split into accidental and malicious misnaming. Pick a name for this sandbox.

Laconic: Using a permutation of someone's name in a insulting/derisive/malicious way.

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