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 76 They Call Me Tomu, Sat, 24th Dec '11 1:12:50 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Totes Moe
It's disagreeing with Fast Eddie at least.

Well, I suppose it's only natural to critisize authority, so I guess as long as it doesn't sound dickish I assume it would be okay.

My personal opinion is that the mods do most things right. Every site has something some people don't like about it.

Personally, I think it's the right decision to delete content from the site that might be detrimental to the site's well being.

Remember the Google fiasco? If we're talking about a controversial topic and it starts to harm the site's standing then the proper thing to do is delete the content.

On the other hand

I do feel like some rules are too ambiguos for their own good. Like the anti-troll policy. It can be difficult to what is trolling and what isn't, so is it really fair to say it's our fault if we fall for it? Shouldn't it be the troll's fault?

Another one is the "No being a dick". What is being a dick? Under who's opinion? I personally don't like rules being in limbo. I prefer something akin to a legal document, like a signed To S.

But that's just me. I can live with what we have right now.

 78 They Call Me Tomu, Sat, 24th Dec '11 1:36:29 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Totes Moe
I'm fine with deleting the content. I'm fine with a "no pedophilia discussion" rule. I'm fine with generic rules about "no trolling" and "don't be a dick."

I'm not okay with "X is bullshit."

That's not an argument, but it's presenting something as truth. It's asinine and utterly ridiculous, because rather than saying "I don't want this stuff on the site" it's "this position is wrong." There's a difference between authority, and insisting on your own narrative.

Well, we're all still here, so we must like it enough to stick around.

 80 They Call Me Tomu, Sat, 24th Dec '11 1:42:35 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Totes Moe
Those of us still here are still here, at least.

 81 drunkscriblerian, Sat, 24th Dec '11 2:57:15 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
Street Writing Man
I can understand the criticism of Fast Eddie's action. What I don't like is the presumption that his action somehow impinges upon people's "rights". The rights we have are the ones he gives us, which I'm okay with until I decide not to be okay with it.

What's also not really being taken into account here is the nature of the subject he spoke out against. There's very little in the world that more people have an emotional opinion about than the abuse or exploitation of children; everyone knows someone who was abused as a child (and no few of them know because of firsthand experiences).

I may have found Fast Eddie's reaction a tad extreme, but I also found the subject to be distasteful and unnecessary, to say nothing about discussion of it to be damaging to the site's reputation (and by extension, Fast Eddie's).
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed.

~Cora M. Strayer~
 82 They Call Me Tomu, Sat, 24th Dec '11 3:34:59 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Totes Moe
Again, I have no opposition to the "don't discuss this" party. What I don't care for is the "those of you who are on one side of the discussion are full of crap end of discussion."

 83 feotakahari, Sat, 24th Dec '11 3:43:12 PM from Looking out at the city
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
For the record, the thread wasn't just about child sexual abuse, but about its portrayal in art. I've previously tried to write about the subject, and I don't think I was on entirely the wrong track (though I ultimately decided the story worked better with physical abuse rather than sexual abuse.)
That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
Being a dick is vague FOR A REASON. If we had a clear cut policy it would have to be rewritten almost every week to cover opportunistic trolls who have nothing better to do than to bypass loopholes. /notamod
 85 Blixty Slycat, Sat, 24th Dec '11 4:14:58 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
|like a boss|
What's also not really being taken into account here is the nature of the subject he spoke out against. There's very little in the world that more people have an emotional opinion about than the abuse or exploitation of children; everyone knows someone who was abused as a child (and no few of them know because of firsthand experiences).

Also of note is that Fast Eddie himself has a child. It's understandable he wouldn't really be too pleased with pedophilia being discussed here.
go ahead and do every stupid thing you can imagine
 86 tsstevens, Sat, 24th Dec '11 4:16:07 PM from Internet, Tasmania Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Researcher
Are we critisizing the mods? I'm not sure what exactly the thread is all about...

I was asking if Fast Eddie's response to the topic is the way we should respond to such topIcs. As I understand it we are to ignore these topIcs and report them so Eddie can say it is a utter crock of shit.

As far as his reaction goes, thing is pedophilia as art is a crock of shit. I think few of us would disagree with that. Should he have the right to? I would honestly like to see a bit more professionalism and civilty, but given the topic how civil can expect him to be, really? And for him to refer to it as such shows something that we have not discussed much, how someone with a grudge against the site can try and cause trouble by showing this discussion. Such a strong rejection shows that the site does not support pedophilia.
The mark of a good story means not feeling like The Angry Video Game Nerd hearing it.
"What would Buffy do?" Spike.
 87 They Call Me Tomu, Sat, 24th Dec '11 4:53:50 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Totes Moe
Again, the solution then is to say "don't discuss pedophilia."

It's really that simple. You don't go and basically dehumanize people that disagree with you by arguing with authority rather than reason.

If you think the conversation shouldn't be had, that's fine. I by and large agree. But arguing via authority is ridiculous.

 88 Blixty Slycat, Sat, 24th Dec '11 4:54:55 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
|like a boss|
I'm not, I'm saying you shouldn't expect Eddie to be reasonable on this subject.

We all have things we're unreasonable about and this is clearly his. Frankly, it's such an ugly subject that I am totally fine with that. I don't much care how he shuts it down.
go ahead and do every stupid thing you can imagine
 89 They Call Me Tomu, Sat, 24th Dec '11 4:57:48 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Totes Moe
I don't necessarily think he should be reasonable.

But whenever he is, I'll call him on it.

That's what I do here.

 90 Blixty Slycat, Sat, 24th Dec '11 4:59:51 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
|like a boss|
But your calling him isn't going to accomplish anything, is what I'm saying.

I'm aware we sort of approach arguments in general rather differently, but whatevs.
go ahead and do every stupid thing you can imagine
 91 drunkscriblerian, Sat, 24th Dec '11 5:01:09 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
Street Writing Man
Unless anyone has anything new to add, I think this discussion has pretty much run its course. Some of us disagree and probably aren't going to change our minds, and we're all starting to repeat ourselves.

Lock?
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed.

~Cora M. Strayer~
 92 Blixty Slycat, Sat, 24th Dec '11 5:01:47 PM from Driving the Rad Hazard
|like a boss|
Eh sure. Call somebody.
go ahead and do every stupid thing you can imagine
 93 They Call Me Tomu, Sat, 24th Dec '11 5:01:53 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Totes Moe
Lock 'er up and throw away the key!

 94 Bobby G, Sat, 24th Dec '11 5:17:54 PM from the Silvery Tay
The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
You need to Get Known to get one of those.
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