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Appeal to the moderation:
We very rarely need something to be cut ASAP, though, so it's not extremely important to have a non-American Cut Master, but we're thinking about it anyway.Yeah, the are some big cleanup projects at work right now, but still looking at the Cut List it could use some help with that growing backlog.
Programming and surgery have a lot of things in common: Don't start removing colons until you know what you're doing.
Many FacesAppealing to the moderation. The RP section is having like a mid-life crisis. We would appreciate your input, suggestions, and whatnot.
Who loves the shadow?
Two Christmas wormsIf that is an issue, it could probably be fixed by merging the cutmaster and moderator jobs. The latter can now restore cut pages after all. On a different topic, I have several notes to make on the rules:
Perpetually DisappointedFollowing Schol's link from Absent People, I thought I'd post a note here in regards to the triple banning of Moerin, Raineh and Anno. I feel like they are solid and rather prolific players within the boards and while they haven't always necessarily dealt with drama in the best manner, they have never sought it out and from my limited experience [of Anno specifically, as it was his/her game that I was participating in] they dealt with most of the drama as maturely and reasonably as possible via P Ms. This may not always be the case, but I think it should at least show that they do not default to drama as a response in all conflicts. This isn't a matter of hijacking other people's R Ps or deliberately ruining the atmosphere. At worst, they might gain a reputation for being harsh with their own R Ps but I don't think that, while you might fault them for their attitude in the most recent case, anything done by them would be bannable. Raineh, Anno and Moerin play a large part with organizing a rather large niche of the RP boards, seeing them banned would certainly do the boards more harm than good. If this is an issue of tone on the board, I feel that they're doing their best to keep a certain level of balance and decency in their R Ps, while not always in the politest way, their banning might cause D Ms to become more passive as a result or rely more heavily on Mods and hollars in order to prevent their own bannings.
edited 4th Jul '12 3:19:33 PM by Fauxlosophe
Crazed LawrencianTo elaborate on their status within the community, they start, promote, or assist in starting games within their sizeable niche. Take them away, and there will be far fewer games from that corner of the community.
Proud member of the IAA What's the point of being grown up if you can't act childish?
Writer's Welcome WagonI would like some more details on the extent of this incident. Anno R have overlooked more than one RP I was in. In one case, she had to kick out a player that deemed to have potentially harmful plans for an already questionable character. I can say the decision was reasonable.
edited 4th Jul '12 4:03:57 PM by chihuahua0
Regarding the bannings of those three rpers. The moderation has dug up an extensive history of rp-related misbehavior, favoritism, and drama-mongering. The main argument for letting them back, taking into account the evidence we've got, is that they're involved with so many rps that banning them is a major inconvenience to the rp forum. But they have misbehaved, and if we unban them because of their prolific involvement with rp, that would be sending the message that they are allowed to misbehave because they have immunity. We've concluded that they have a detrimental effect on the rp community as a whole, and are not planning on rescinding their bans. We've had a long string of hollers about them, and this decision has been a long time in the making. We didn't ban them without taking a look at the overall situation and the specifics, guys. We're very sympathetic towards the people in disrupted games - I'm an rper myself, and I know how frustrating that can be - but Moerin, Anno R, and Raineh Daze crossed lines, and we won't waive punishment for them.
The moderation has dug up an extensive history of rp-related misbehavior, favoritism, and drama-mongering....How? Unless you've been looking at a lot of things out of context or something, none of this is something any of those three do. They hate this stuff. They wish to avoid it. People constantly bring these problems to them.
Ahr riverI remember these problems way back when with another troper. I don't even GO to the roleplaying section much, and I'm aware of it.
Perpetually DisappointedWhile that is an issue, in my case at least it's a question of what got them banned. The worrying about their banning is less the immediate fall out and more the combined activity the three are responsible for. I've been sent to a couple threads that people thought might be the cause of issues but no one seems to know the specific cause. I'm really not sure what they did deserving of a ban. Generally, they seem to me to be active members of the community who, if they get riled are, at very least within their rights to be so, if they might go over board. The idea that the moderation could ban not just one but three very active players so suddenly [to me at least, as I was unaware aware of any previous warnings] is a bit off putting. And echoing my point above, I'm a bit worried about their niche having to do damage control replacing some of their most active players and what this might mean for the board as a whole.
I can speak from experience that they do, indeed, show favoritism and are somewhat prudish; my say, however, is pretty obviously biased and I'm just throwing in a vote to sustain the ban based upon my own experiences. If you would like me to actually bring up specific circumstances or events to support my statement, I can in fact do that; it would just take up time and be more or less useless unless it's actually necessary for me to prove my point. I don't deny that I may have been a tad belligerent some times, and my own writing style runs almost completely perpendicular to theirs without any direct aim towards trolling or being a foil, so whatever, grain of salt and my statement, you know what to do.
^^ Have you heard the phrase 'Can't see the forest for the trees?' From an outsider perspective, it's quite easy to notice that those three tend to passive-agressively incite out-of-character drama, whether or not it's on purpose. Even if it's accidental on their part, it happens again and again, too often to be a coincidence. It's a pattern, but one that might be hard to see if you interact with them a lot, because obviously it only makes up a part of their overall behavior. However, they do it far, far more than anyone else, and have established enough of a pattern that we can be sure they'd do it again in the future if not stopped. ^ That won't be necessary. We've got a sizable amount of evidence and proof gathered. The offer, however, is appreciated.
edited 4th Jul '12 4:43:32 PM by Katrika
Wild HorseI will agree that they are particularly vocal and impulsive in the past, but they don't really disrespect the rules. Rather, they just don't want to deal with the situations in which they are embroiled but it keeps happening in their general vicinity. Working things out is never pretty as opinions clash and become heated, and people are of the impression of favoritism because the three are good friends outside of these forums. I assure you this isn't the case and that they simply wanted to rectify problems that they have. They aren't entirely without fault, but they reserve a right to dispense judgement on their own games and to get rid of elements in which they feel are out of place in their territory. Also, they haven't been recently warned of their latest offenses and Moerin has never been banned even once. I find it a bit too sudden and forceful for an action.
Always be ready to do the unusual and unexpected.
Lord of the AviansI would give my own own 2 cents, but Grey just gave them for me. They really don't deserve this.
If the same problems keep happening around the same set of people to the point where basically everyone notices it, it's time to wonder if maybe it's the people that are the problem. We have evidence. We didn't make this decision lightly. This choice was meant to help the rp community in the long run. We're trying to make our decision understandable to you, but we don't intend to budge on it. Transparency is not indecisiveness.
Ahr riverThere have been many people who have been banned event though their existence was enjoyed by people on this site. Enjoying someone's presence =/= not deserving a ban. They broke the rules. They were warned. They still did it. Ninja'd by modster!
edited 4th Jul '12 4:57:22 PM by MrAHR
...Agreeing with Falkon and Grey.
Lord of the AviansBut, I talk to these three a lot off site, and they weren't warned. None of them had any idea this was coming.
edited 4th Jul '12 5:06:45 PM by Falkon
We would have been able to warn them if G Ms hollered more instead of trying to work it all out amongst themselves. By the time we realized there was a problem, we were able to find so much evidence that bans ended up being the best option. Most of the mods were part of the discussion, and to my knowledge, all the mods that were agreed with the end choice.
edited 4th Jul '12 5:09:11 PM by Katrika
Many FacesKat, if they do appeal though, is there a chance any of them can be let back in? While there was a number of misdemeanors that caused this, it is still their first official punishment, Raineh aside.
Who loves the shadow?
...This last incident, again, wasn't their fault. Hell, the thread had gotten a lock request (which seems to have gone ignored) from Moe to prevent any more drama that she wanted explicitly to avoid. And they weren't the ones that resorted to personal attacks in the thread. There was no favouritism there, at all.
With Mod Hat OnIf they want to appeal their bans, they can PM us; they only received forum bans. I hate sounding like a broken record, but this wasn't a spur-of-the-moment decision made on a few hollers. We've got hollers about problems caused by them spread out over literally hundreds of pages of hollers in our queue, stretching back around a year or more. Several mods who haven't said anything yet on the issue were involved in evaluating the evidence, and most of the staff agrees with the decision. EDIT: Ninja'd by Katrika.
edited 4th Jul '12 5:20:40 PM by Willbyr
If I could make a suggestion, perhaps releasing specific hollers would be useful in reinforcing your point? I'm kind of a stickler for that Claim-Data-Warrant style of proving a point thanks to AP Lit, but I think this would be legitimately helpful in proving your claim.
WHAT HAS SCIENCE WROUGHTWhere were these hollers from, may I ask? And if there weren't enough hollers to warn them, how were there enough to have pages of them or merit a ban?
...and that's terrible.
Ahr riverThere WERE enough to warn them. They were warned before.
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