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Fantasy Focus:

I was having a conversation with [1], and we realized something:

In this subfora, there seems (to us, anyway) to be a preoccupation with fantasy and its subgenres. Sci-Fi as well, but largely fantasy. And while fantasy's all well and good, and I'm a huge fan of it myself, it seems that other genres don't really get much representation in troper works.

Sure, every once in a while, I see someone doing something that's not fantasy or science fiction-based, but the majority seems to be concentrated in those two. The two of us find this concentration disconcerting, and kind of a turn-off as far as actually reading things that are posted.

Has anyone else observed this, or are we two alone over here?

Also, small tangent: let's not turn this into complaining, talking ad nauseum about fetish-stuff, and mudslinging; please? I've noticed that a lot of threads are being locked because they derail into that sort of activity.
 
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People have noticed. People have complained about it. People have made pride on being subversive. In Writer's Block.

So yes.
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Um...
I think it's because fantasy/sci-fi/speculative fiction as a whole is so all-encompassing that it can fit a very wide range of stories. That, and it allows a writer to do things they just can't do in realistic fiction. When you think about it, anything that can happen in realistic fiction can happen in speculative fiction in some way, but the reverse isn't true.

I had a discussion of this nature with an English professor, who disagreed with me, saying that there's no limit to what you can write about in fiction, because even in realistic fiction, where things have to be somewhat, well, realistic, you still have an enormous range of themes to work with. I then argued that there is one thing speculative fiction has that realistic fiction doesn't: dinosaurs interacting with people. Hell, you can make the exact same case with mecha, dragons, demons, etc.

But that's just my point of view.

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 5 Aniventerie, Tue, 20th Dec '11 10:17:30 AM from Imagination World
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Hang out around the roleplaying forums much? Those are dominated by SF too. As well, the "main obsessions" of the TV Tropes community (Homestuck, MLP, Doctor Who, Touhou, etc.) are mostly comprised of SF works. Tropers in general seem be pretty enamored with SF.

Though really, if someone did have a real problem with this, I don't see what they could do about it. Spam the forums with Realistic Fiction threads? Ask for the deletion of SF threads?
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 6 Oh So Into Cats, Tue, 20th Dec '11 10:27:17 AM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
I don't know. I don't like contemporary fiction, but then again there are mysteries and thrillers and crime dramas and whatnot that people (not many tropers though) get obsessed with.

I don't know. Maybe take an interest inventory.

 7 Major Tom, Tue, 20th Dec '11 10:27:53 AM Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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I wouldn't ask for the deletion of any thread in Writer's Block unless it was either requested by the thread creator or turning into a blatant trolling thread.

That said, carve one more notch into the "notices a high proportion of fantasy writers around here" category. I notice a lot and it drowns out most Sci-Fi/other genres. While I have no real quarrel much with fantasy works, sometimes I just wish there was something else to talk about beyond vampires and magic systems and such.
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 8 Oh So Into Cats, Tue, 20th Dec '11 10:38:08 AM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
I get very sick of the discussion of magic systems too, though not because I don't like SF.

 9 USAF713, Tue, 20th Dec '11 11:40:05 AM from the United States
I changed accounts.
I'm not just not fond of writing realistic fiction, myself. I dunno why, specifically.
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 10 Ralph Crown, Tue, 20th Dec '11 12:24:30 PM from Next Door to Nowhere
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I too have noticed a preponderance of speculative fiction. My first question is, so what? What are the alternatives? If you open up a board for, say, romance writers, will they come? Check the list of sample romance books—there are several with vampire themes. I'd guess half the list has been made into movies, otherwise we might never have heard of them.

True, there are lots of tropes from sitcoms. They would make good research material for someone writing a romantic comedy. The way the site is set up, though, those tropes inevitably lead you into fantasy/scifi territory. Someone interested in writing straight fiction would tend to wander away to a site with more-general resources.

My feedback is, don't fix it if it's not broken. It's good to ask these types of questions occasionally, to make sure you're on the right track.
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 11 Heavy DDR, Tue, 20th Dec '11 12:32:30 PM from Central Texas
What's Gravity Falls.
Fantasy naturally has a lot more to be talked about. There's more issues, concepts, and systems to work with and discuss, compared to realistic stories, which are more down to Earth and don't exactly require a lot of discussion aside from, you know, character relations or other such topics.

... Is it just me, or is there this silent tension between fantasy writers and sci-fi writers here? It always seems like one is trying to blame the other for problems in the forum.
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We're not preventing writers of romance, thrillers, realistic fiction, historical fiction etc. from posting here, but chances are, they read some sample threads in Writer's Block and think: "People here aren't going to be interested in my work" and don't post it.

At the same time... what can we do about that? People will post about the things they want to write, and I don't want to prevent them from it. But it would be nice if we could have a bit more balance. (Nowadays, when I see someone's pitch for their work, I take it for granted that I just have to scroll down to find where it's revealed that the protagonists are vampires/immortals/etc.)

On a personal note about being uninterested in realistic fiction, my own approach is kind of funny. I have no problem writing realistic novels (though most of my output so far has been speculative fiction), but I can't write short stories without a speculative element. I completely run out of ideas.
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 13 Morven, Tue, 20th Dec '11 12:37:41 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
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For what it's worth, I've found myself not talking about my non-fantasy ideas here because I doubt anyone would be interested.

Now, this might be unfair to the actual people here, but it was the impression I got.
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 14 Gault, Tue, 20th Dec '11 12:40:08 PM from near a disputed border
When history changes...
I think Fantasy and Sci-f are so popular because of the potential inherent in both genres. The settings you can come up with for Fantasy and Sci-fi works can vary to a larger agree than other genres because outside of a work's internal consistency I don't think either of them have very much of an expectation of realism.

Realism in the sense of being in accordance with real-life, not realism in the sense of the story and setting needing to be believable of course.

edited 20th Dec '11 12:41:50 PM by Gault

un monde libéré de la guerre est un monde exempt de frontières
I don't write Sci-fi or Fantasy, but it's hardly the fault of those who do that lots of other people do too. And if it's a thread that doesn't specify a genre, where everyone else is talking about their Fantasy and Sci-fi stories, I don't feel particularly uncomfortable chipping in. Admittedly, I don't post a lot, but that's not because everyone else is talking about a different genre.

edited 20th Dec '11 12:54:31 PM by ArlaGrey

 16 nrjxll, Tue, 20th Dec '11 2:16:16 PM Relationship Status: Not war
I personally wish people would stop lumping fantasy and SF in here together, because the latter does not have a focus at all - yes, there are a few people who write it, but the overwhelming majority of writers on here are doing fantasy works.

... Is it just me, or is there this silent tension between fantasy writers and sci-fi writers here? It always seems like one is trying to blame the other for problems in the forum.

I don't know what I'm supposed to blame fantasy writers for, but I will admit that I get a little sick of its preponderance. I've certainly never seen anything coming from the other direction, though - again, there just aren't enough SF writers to treat them as a group to be "blamed" for anything.

edited 20th Dec '11 2:18:22 PM by nrjxll

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What are the alternatives [to SF, fantasy, etc.]?

Nonfiction and stories which aren't genre fiction.
It's beautiful and so full of deep imagery that it doesn't surprise me to find that it has gone WAY over your head
 18 Heavy DDR, Tue, 20th Dec '11 3:10:22 PM from Central Texas
What's Gravity Falls.
Unless maybe my guesstimate of sci-fi writers includes the same couple of people a number of times, I actually see quite a few sci-fi writers, probably about as much as general fantasy writers.
I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
 19 USAF713, Tue, 20th Dec '11 3:13:39 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
I had one... profoundly off-the-wall idea for a non-speculative fiction romance, but I don't even like the pure romance genre and so I had no idea what to do with it.

I don't think I got hugely far with the plotting, but it was odd because there was basically no worldbuilding to do for it at all.
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 20 nrjxll, Tue, 20th Dec '11 3:30:29 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up][up]I'd like to hear your numbers on that (possibly by PM), as in my experience, when counting fantasy writers on here, the question is more who isn't one.

edited 20th Dec '11 3:30:56 PM by nrjxll

oh no the snack table
USAF, why not write a story about your own life?
It's beautiful and so full of deep imagery that it doesn't surprise me to find that it has gone WAY over your head
 22 nrjxll, Tue, 20th Dec '11 3:33:45 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up]In my experience, this is rarely, if ever, a good idea.

And anyway, why does he have to? If he likes speculative fiction and doesn't enjoy realistic fiction, why is that a problem?

edited 20th Dec '11 3:34:27 PM by nrjxll

 23 USAF713, Tue, 20th Dec '11 3:34:08 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
Because the world has enough stories about lame high school students and their inanely boring lives...? tongue
I am now known as Flyboy.
oh no the snack table
No it doesn't. That's like saying that there are enough paintings of people or enough songs with guitars. It's a trap to think that you have to make your stories fantastic in order to make them interesting; all it does is drown out your voice. Writing the familiar is like life drawing or simple musical exercises: it helps you understand and master you authorial voice, and will make you a better author, whether it's a simple story about your own day-to-day life or an outrageously fantastic genre fiction epic.

[up][up] That just makes me sad. I hope nobody takes this advice.

edited 20th Dec '11 3:40:51 PM by AManInBlack

It's beautiful and so full of deep imagery that it doesn't surprise me to find that it has gone WAY over your head
 25 Gault, Tue, 20th Dec '11 3:40:47 PM from near a disputed border
When history changes...
[up] I don't think you quite understand what USAF means. I, for example, know full well that I have not lived a very interesting life at all. At least, not yet. I'm sure that I myself would not want to read a book about my life.

edited 20th Dec '11 3:41:06 PM by Gault

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