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Subtext In Your Work:
...That might just be the strongest argument for Pair the Spares I've ever heard. And I should note that while the probable-kashchei-sockpuppet earlier was unnecessarily nasty, I actually agree with him/her. The (self)fanservice mindset towards the "yay" tropes is one of the ways I dislike seeing them used that I've mentioned earlier. All I meant to say was that if I use one of those tropes, it will mean that there is genuine, canonical subtext there.
Pronounced YAK-you-lussI should probably point out, guys, that subtext is not exclusively sexual or even romantic. It's simply the process of hinting at something that is not made explicit.
Freedom of speech includes the freedom for other people to call you out on your bullshit.
Rabid FujoshiYes, of course, plenty of other subtext types.
SPATULA, Supporters of Page Altering To Urgently Lead to Amelioration (supports not going through TRS for tweaks and minor improvements.)
We're Having All The FunYeah, but subtext is an anagram of buttsex, so obviously homo-romantic subtext is the only kind that counts.
All I do, is sit down at the computer, and start hittin' the keys. Getting them in the right order, that's the trick.
It really was, thoughMy God, it's like the first time I saw the arrow in the Fed Ex logo. I've written poetry for student journals, and most poetry is subtext. I once used the experience of playing a video game to describe how I lost my virginity, and that was pretty fun to write. Subtext is just more interesting than... text-text. Also, if your subtext is blatant, than it probably isn't subtext.
edited 20th Dec '11 12:07:00 AM by AgeAndYouth
He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.
Fuzzy Orange DoomsayerI used to include lots of subtext, but I noticed that my readers tended not to catch it, so I've been trying to be more blatant. (It's not that I don't still write lots of things that the reader needs to pay close attention to catch—they just tend to be foreshadowing for something that's stated later.) Edit: Come to think of it, I do have what might as well be called "jigsaw puzzle pieces." For instance, in chapter 5 of a story, it's revealed that one of the characters has an erotic/spiritual obsession with being "purified" by being cut with a knife. In chapter 11, we see a flashback to a time when he was six years old, and he was forced to watch as the girl he was in love with was tortured with a knife as a punishment for a "sin, " eventually dying from it. After the flashback, he says that he wishes he'd been the one who was killed. (Yes, this story is kind of fucked-up.) Anyways, I never outright say that he chooses to be cut as a form of atonement, so does that count as subtext?
edited 20th Dec '11 12:16:49 AM by feotakahari
That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
Pink♥ChainsawI am not having too much subtext for my story if the subtext is clear then it's arguably just text at that point. So how do you subtext?
"If there is a hole then it's a man's job to thrust into it" - Ryoma from New Getter Robo
oh no the snack tableBy being subtle, PHC. Focus on the basics first.
It's beautiful and so full of deep imagery that it doesn't surprise me to find that it has gone WAY over your head
It really was, though@feotakahari That's not subtext, but it is showing instead of telling, so it's still good storytelling.
He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.
@Iaculus: Just for the record, we've talked about multiple kinds of subtext - I simply happened to bring up the "yay" tropes around post 20 or so. Although the majority of my subtext tends to involve character relationships, it isn't usually romantic relationships that are the subject.
Who you are does not matter.I think I enjoy turning around and crushing the subtext too much to make proper use of it. Romantic subtext in particular, but I've dropped the noncanonicity bomb on just about all of it I could find.
"Let us look less to the sky to see what might fall; rather, let us look to each other...and rise."
readI enjoy never outright stating who is in a romantic relationship with whom, be it straight or gay, so...het yay?
I changed accounts.Yeah Bro wins the thread.
I am now known as Flyboy.
Thunder, Perfect MindYes, he does, but I lost the thread for failing to strike while the iron was hot on the whole "canon sexual subtext" mini-discussion, seeing as my work kind of runs on Freudian weirdness.
Obvious subtext is not subtext at all, as should be obvious.
edited 20th Dec '11 3:21:21 PM by AllanAssiduity
Thunder, Perfect MindTrue. That said, if you're addressing my last statement, something need not be obvious to be pervasive.
It's... difficult to say as I haven't written much. I suspect it's one of those things that I'm not very good at. I guess a lot of the stuff I've thought out about Flinn and the strain on his relationships with his friends are going to have to be subtext once I write it. It won't work otherwise.
Be not afraid...
Sneaky BastardI used a lot of ho and les yay in my newest piece, and I suspect there is going to be a lot more. It's sort of inevitable when your story has a lesbian and a guy who has No Sense of Personal Space (and who is gleefully baiting the in-universe Yaoi Fangirl). Otherwise I have hints that every character has some sort of personality disorder or other mental health problem. And that despite being horrible VillainProtagonists, they still have values and qualities that sometimes makes them better than the people they fight.
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