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Subtext In Your Work:

Many of the users on this wiki often talk about the explosions and punches that feature in their works— but seldom about the subtler side of things.

So let's talk about subtext; from subtext of your whole story, to the subtext of a certain line of dialogue, and everything in between.
 
 2 USAF713, Mon, 19th Dec '11 1:24:08 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
Two of my main characters are an extended metaphor for my own personal take and grapplings with idealism and cynicism, in addition to being a study on sexual repression in military settings...
I am now known as Flyboy.
 3 Ralph Crown, Mon, 19th Dec '11 2:05:55 PM from Next Door to Nowhere
Short Hair
My stuff is all about subtext. If there weren't things going on between the lines, with metaphors for politics, art, business, war, and religion, and characters trying to put things over on each other, and edges of things that have happened or will happen, I'd get bored.
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 4 nrjxll, Mon, 19th Dec '11 2:07:22 PM Relationship Status: Not war
I like making extensive use of subtext in my work. Of course, the problem is always how "subtextual" to make it.

I do not, however, make use of real-world subtext. It is very, very unlikely that anything in my works is meant to represent anything other then what it is (though if you can see it as doing so, more power to you).

edited 19th Dec '11 2:08:56 PM by nrjxll

 5 JHM, Mon, 19th Dec '11 3:49:45 PM from Neither Here Nor There Relationship Status: I know
Thunder, Perfect Mind
Pretty much anything anyone actually says in my work is at least 50% subtext, in no small part due to all of the strange interpersonal relationships between the characters, some of which are never talked about outright yet clearly extremely complicated. I must give special notice to two of the protagonists, both confidence men with serious issues; anything that they say, especially between them, is guaranteed to mean at least three different things, depending upon the context.

On a somewhat broader, metafictional level, the whole story is a kind of sideways exploration of the postmodern existentialist view of truth as at once both the subjective conception and ultimate arbiter of what is or is not "real, " in addition to being my personal take on what would happen if you put an Epic Fantasy plot in a Cosmic Horror setting and let things ride out. *

 6 Major Tom, Mon, 19th Dec '11 4:07:05 PM Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Eye'm the cutest!
Sometimes my subtext becomes blatant. One instance is the love of being the rival to each other between main characters Mathias Watkins and Anzan. Their dialogue and actions often show they are trying to kill each other, but in reality the subtext also shows they deep down want nothing more than continuing those violent moments as long as is possible. I get somewhat blatant about it in Chapter 18 for instance.

Another moment of subtext is the relationship between Swordmaster Khornan of the Preyaran Lancer Corps and Mistress Bellah of the Antara Council. One moment implies they know each other and Anzan in a direct sense but does not elaborate. (This becomes a Reveal in the third book with regards to Bellah and Anzan.
"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."
Rabid Fujoshi
I love conversations that seem to be about one thing on the surface but it becomes increasingly obvious is about something else entirely. Or when not a lot is actually said outright but there's tons of tension hanging in the air and you really learn all you needed to know.

edited 19th Dec '11 8:00:32 PM by NoirGrimoir

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 8 nrjxll, Mon, 19th Dec '11 8:07:49 PM Relationship Status: Not war
I accidentally posted this in another thread, but I meant to say it here: I don't really, as far as subtext goes, like the various "yay" tropes, at least not in the sense that they're commonly used.

Rabid Fujoshi
I personally love Ho Yay if there is an actual possibility of it ever being canon. Like it's real, not just an inference. Accidental Ho Yay or when it's merely inferred by the audience without any possibility of it being serious is just sort of disappointing. I still like it, but it's not as validating.
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 10 USAF713, Mon, 19th Dec '11 8:21:21 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
Heh, I have at least one character relationship that Noir might like. Score. cool
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 11 nrjxll, Mon, 19th Dec '11 8:23:08 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up][up]That's more or less what I was saying. I'll only ever include that kind of thing if there is canonical subtext between a pair of characters (details don't really matter) - I dislike it being used to "tease" or "amuse" the audience.

 12 Noir Grimoir, Mon, 19th Dec '11 8:31:18 PM from San Diego, CA
Rabid Fujoshi
[up][up]Hell yeah! [lol]

edited 19th Dec '11 8:31:27 PM by NoirGrimoir

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 13 chihuahua 0, Mon, 19th Dec '11 8:34:05 PM from Standoff, USA Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Writer's Welcome Wagon
Noir would also like the (potential) sequel of my current project. Double score. cool

edited 19th Dec '11 8:34:21 PM by chihuahua0

 14 USAF713, Mon, 19th Dec '11 8:45:47 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
[up] ~brofist~
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 15 Noir Grimoir, Mon, 19th Dec '11 8:50:35 PM from San Diego, CA
Rabid Fujoshi
W00t. Putting the yay, back into Ho Yay!
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 16 USAF713, Mon, 19th Dec '11 9:00:17 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
Well, this is the first time I've ever written a romance of this nature (cynical, hedonistic, conscripted bisexual male falls in love with the idealistic, straight(-laced) patriotic enlisted man), and due to the way the work is (war story, lots of action, etc.) I've actually been essentially forced to keep it down to subtext. There's never any real in-story acknowledgement of it, in fact.

Then again, that's part of the point, since, as I said, it's partially a study on how strict, legalistic cultures like militaries repress sexuality and individuality.
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 17 Noir Grimoir, Mon, 19th Dec '11 9:02:03 PM from San Diego, CA
Rabid Fujoshi
I would write slash fan fic for it.
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 18 USAF713, Mon, 19th Dec '11 9:06:26 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
And I would never read it.

...

I was going to say "Except maybe just if you wrote it, " but even then, I still don't think I'd read it. tongue
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 19 Nick The Swing, Mon, 19th Dec '11 9:07:43 PM from Ya really wanna know? Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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Lots and Lots of Ho Yay between Matthew and Shuuji. Not to mention the canon relationship between Adrian and Aiden.

Ein Woe himself is a mass of subtext about people who write flat villains without many traits beyond "is evil."

Fall D.Ark Tyrant is nothing but subtext.

The Seer's every single sentence can mean something completely different than what you'd think it would mean on an early read.

This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.

 21 Noir Grimoir, Mon, 19th Dec '11 9:12:28 PM from San Diego, CA
Rabid Fujoshi
You guys are really making me happy, here.
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 22 USAF713, Mon, 19th Dec '11 9:14:25 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
Eh, sorry to disappoint, Noir, but what I just mentioned is all I have in all my works for M/M subtext that's even remotely canon.

...

I actually don't know if I have any canon F/F subtext. If I did, I forgot.

Anyway, for all the rest of the characters, you'd be running on wishful thinking for your fanfiction. wink
I am now known as Flyboy.
 23 Noir Grimoir, Mon, 19th Dec '11 9:17:55 PM from San Diego, CA
Rabid Fujoshi
Anyway, for all the rest of the characters, you'd be running on wishful thinking for your fanfiction.

I usually am. It doesn't stop me in the slightest. I know it's not canon and never will be. I just don't care.
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 24 USAF713, Mon, 19th Dec '11 9:19:45 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
Eh, fine with me. If I'm lucky enough to get a fandom, I'll probably never read the fanfiction.
I am now known as Flyboy.
 25 Noir Grimoir, Mon, 19th Dec '11 9:25:23 PM from San Diego, CA
Rabid Fujoshi
When I do write fanfiction for it I at least try to make the situation justifiable and make sense however, which is more than some fanfics can say. And I hate Die for Our Ship. I don't like to split up canon pairings. Speculation on unattached characters is one thing, outright deviation from the original content is something else when it comes to such things, I feel.

edited 19th Dec '11 9:26:31 PM by NoirGrimoir

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