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The Fed cracks down on one Man's mission to impregnate women in need:

 51 Aceof Spades, Fri, 16th Dec '11 8:45:45 PM from The Wild Blue Yonder Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
None of this is the topic. What is the topic is what this one weird dude is doing and whether or not it is safe and/or legal. And, if someone could find some follow up information on this, it'd be great. Like, what, specifically, he is doing to help these ladies get pregnant. Because I have a feeling that's what will play a large role in whether or not he gets charged with something, and what he gets charged with.
 52 Joesolo, Fri, 16th Dec '11 10:35:35 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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You can't go handing out fertility treatments, theres are too many people in the world as is.

Wow, we are getting off topic. yea, this guy is going to get charged with something, the feds just have to figure out what.
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 53 Pink Heart Chainsaw, Fri, 16th Dec '11 10:38:09 PM from Land of Rape and Honey
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I don't think any of this is actually illegal. If the women can provide care for the children then I see no reason why he can't do so. Though he will probably be charged with a public-health related crime.
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 54 Mark Von Lewis, Sat, 17th Dec '11 12:58:33 AM from Somewhere in Time Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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At the least he's practicing medicine without a license and/or medical degree.
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Having kids you can't provide for is irresponsible, sure, but money is only one of the many things a parent needs to be providing. It's irresponsible to have a kid if you won't be emotionally available for him or her. It's irresponsible to have a kid if you have no concept of pedagogy. It's irresponsible if you're a bigot piece of shit and teaching said kid to be racist and homophobic. See where I'm going with these.
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I'm surprised the FDA doesn't have anything better to do... This is rather pointless: People have been unlicensed, not-for-profit sperm donors for ages.

Are they seriously gonna require a license to donate semen?

Also, people low income enough not to be able to afford 20 grand for an uncertain IVF procedure might be perfectly capable of affording to care for a child. Yeah, raising offspring from cradle to college costs around 150-200 grand... Which don't come as a lump sum.

edited 17th Dec '11 9:58:00 AM by SavageHeathen

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 57 USAF713, Sat, 17th Dec '11 10:20:29 AM from the United States
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I'm surprised the FDA doesn't have anything better to do... This is rather pointless: People have been unlicensed, not-for-profit sperm donors for ages.

The FDA is quite literally corrupt by law.

About a fifth of their budget is paid for by the pharmaceutical corporations.

So yes, they don't have anything better to do.
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 58 Aceof Spades, Sat, 17th Dec '11 10:27:33 AM from The Wild Blue Yonder Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Savage, my confusion from this comes from the fact that the article doesn't say how he's doing it. If he's just having sex with these women then there's probably nothing they can do. But, and I don't think they'd be dealing with this if it wasn't the case, if he's doing this through some other means then he's doing some medical services without a license. Which is pretty serious. Not the most serious thing, but a serious thing. That's why I'd like more information what, exactly, he is doing.

I mean, come on, we require fertility centers to be staffed by people with medical licenses. If this guy isn't doing things the traditional way I don't see why he shouldn't be held to the same standards we hold doctors to. If he's just whoring himself out, then I'm confused why he's doing this particular thing.
Yeah, I personally don't see anything wrong with trying to help infertile couples. Maybe they CAN afford to raise a child, but can't afford to save for treatments and THEN raise a child, or they've already spent a lot of their savings on failed treatments, etc. IVF does have a high failure rate, after all. The thing I have a problem with in this case is that this whole issue seems a little skeevy. I don't know how this man is going about this. I don't know what kind of safety procedures he's using. I don't know if he was just scamming them. THAT'S why I think it's good this was cracked down on.

edited 17th Dec '11 1:24:08 PM by Katrika

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You can't go handing out fertility treatments, theres are too many people in the world as is.
I used to think like this, then I realised what I was saying. Think your statements over a little more, please.

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[up]There is already a thread about IVF being or not a bad thing when there are so many children waiting adoption.

Also, you're implying that someone wants to choose who is surplus and who isn't.

Which brings me back to Kashchei's words:
I have several girlfriends in the lower income bracket who are very responsible and loving parents, so I don't appreciate the pontification on how they don't deserve to procreate.
When did "deserve" enter the equation here?

The solution to the "don't hand out fertility treatments" part would be to withhold them indiscriminately. But as said in the IVF/adoption thread, it would also require to make adoption easier and more broadly available, which has its own load of issues too.
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 62 Deboss, Sun, 18th Dec '11 10:18:04 PM from Awesomeville Texas
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Kashchei will no longer be engaging in conversations on this site for those of you curious.

As for a surplus population that must be removed, that's an easy solution: remove all of it.
There is already a thread about IVF being or not a bad thing when there are so many children waiting adoption.
Oh, is there? I haven't seen it.
Also, you're implying that someone wants to choose who is surplus and who isn't.
In general, unironically wishing death on a large number of people is seen as a bad thing.
As for a surplus population that must be removed, that's an easy solution: remove all of it.
Speaking of which.
 
 64 Morven, Mon, 19th Dec '11 3:14:05 AM from Seattle, WA, USA
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No gloating as to who's currently banned, Deboss. And your schtick of recommending Final Solution-esque things like that is either a joke that's outstayed its welcome, or a serious idea that has no welcome here whatsoever.
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[up]Note that I didn't took it as gloating and actually found it informative. Kept me for wondering why he wouldn't answer my question.

edited 19th Dec '11 4:28:04 AM by Medinoc

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 66 Deboss, Tue, 20th Dec '11 5:10:25 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
That wasn't gloating, I was trying to be informative without sounding like I was grave dancing, which "BTW Kashchei was banned" would have.
 67 Folt, Tue, 20th Dec '11 5:16:41 PM from Hollow Bastion! >=D
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[up] The way you wrote it still makes it sound assholish... not to mention your "solution"...

On topic, I'm opposed to abortion actually. I have two solutions for this: Just wait with sex until you feel you're ready for a child, or use a condom. And if you're really scared of the condom breaking, just go with the former.
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 68 Deboss, Tue, 20th Dec '11 5:33:39 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I apologize, I was trying to add a note for those curious why a person was no longer commenting without derailing or grave dancing or the like, if someone knows the best way to do this, I'd appreciate the information.

Nor was the comment directed at preventing the poor from reproducing specifically, in either a "kill all the poor people" or a "prevent the poor from reproducing" direction.
 69 Folt, Tue, 20th Dec '11 5:48:16 PM from Hollow Bastion! >=D
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[up] Then what did you mean? Because seriously, I fail to see how that statement can not be taken as anything less than "Kill/Murder/Slaughter until problem's fixed!"
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 70 Deboss, Tue, 20th Dec '11 5:51:38 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I was making a flippant comment about wiping out humanity, something I've been doing for quite some time.

If you're objection is to population control in general, it's not generally based on "there are too many of these people" so much as "the amount of people we have outweighs our ability to support those people", at least that's what has been my impression upon it.
 71 Folt, Tue, 20th Dec '11 5:59:57 PM from Hollow Bastion! >=D
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Well, like Morven said, it has overstayed it's welcome.
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 72 Deboss, Tue, 20th Dec '11 6:42:27 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
And he said it after I did, so I won't make said joke in this thread anymore.
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