The Fed cracks down on one Man's mission to impregnate women in need:

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http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/14/9445757-fda-cracks-down-on-diy-sperm-donor-in-calif

All he wants is to spread his DNA around the globe to make people happy, and the Fed wants to stop him.

Besides, if the Fed wins, doesn't this mean that washing my "dirty" socks counts as illegal disposal of bio-hazardous waste?
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This is the first time I have seen the FDA referred as the Feds.
Please.
3 johnnyfog14th Dec 2011 01:34:54 PM from the Zocalo , Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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This is an infringement on the free market!
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[up]Really? Its my nickname for "The Federal Government"...I thought it was common usage, though.
5 Mandemo14th Dec 2011 01:38:19 PM from Cookie Jar , Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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Last year, federal Food and Drug Administration officials delivered a letter ordering Arsenault to “cease manufacturing,” or halt his service, because the computer security expert had not followed regulations governing safety precautions for transmission of human cells or tissues through donor clinics.

How do you stop "manufacturing" sperm? Don't answer that, I might here something I don't want to.
You know, I wonder how, exactly, the donations go down. It almost sounds like he has sex with the women while the husband waits in the kitchen, and then gives them an empty, medically sealed plastic bottle as a memento if you watch the video. He even refers to his donation scheme as "an intimate partnership".

Damn, this guy is some sort of a genius, I tell you what!
7 CDRW14th Dec 2011 01:40:43 PM , Relationship Status: Mu
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8 USAF71314th Dec 2011 02:00:18 PM from the United States
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Mm... I'm not sure what to think of this, really.
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Logically speaking, I think this scheme is a fantastic way to spread ST Ds.

Morally speaking, I'm okay with low-income families not being able to have kids they can't afford, so I'm kinda glad that the FDA stepped in.

  • Editing because this is still attracting attention:

I'm not okay with anyone having kids they can't afford. This isn't a eugenics thing, it's me being horrified at the thought that anyone is okay with kids going without because their parents were selfish enough to bring them into this world without the financial capability to feed and clothe them. It would be nice if every child was provided for, but in this reality, assistance isn't guaranteed.

I was raised dirt-poor, and I'm also refusing to have children until I'm sure that I can feed them, clothe them, and give them a decent education. If that makes me a terrible person, so be it.

edited 11th Jan '12 12:10:31 AM by DrunkGirlfriend

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10 BlueNinja014th Dec 2011 02:57:58 PM from Hiding in the corner , Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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Damn, this guy is some sort of a genius, I tell you what! - Full of Stars
And up until now, I always thought Intelligence was the Dump Stat for the Pick Up Artist class.

Silly me, all this time I thought the various laws about the transfer of human biological material* was to help prevent accidental outbreaks of disease. But clearly they're just in place to stop this guy from being the next Ghengis Khan of the family tree!

Oooh, here's a nasty thought - can the various recipients sue him for child support?
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11 lordGacek14th Dec 2011 02:58:55 PM from Kansas of Europe
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Arsenault? That's the guy's name? Sounds like a weird portmanteau. The words "arse", "assault", "Renault", and similar, spring to mind.
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@Blue Ninja: I'd assume that they could, considering that they probably didn't file any paperwork absolving him of responsibility.
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13 RocketDude14th Dec 2011 03:04:43 PM from AZ, United States
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@Gacek: Sounds like "Arsenal" if you pronounce it like "Renault."
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14 AceofSpades14th Dec 2011 03:52:39 PM from The Wild Blue Yonder , Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
I'm... not quite sure what to think. If he's having sex with these ladies, I don't think there's much the FDA can do, aside from maybe prosecute him on charges of prostitution. If he's attempting to do this like a clinic (somehow) well, there's a myriad of health reasons there's clinics specifically for this; to ensure the health of all individuals involved. He is not a doctor, and is not doing this without medical supervision.

Well, that's if he's doing it... some way that does not involve personally having sex. It wasn't exactly clear what he was doing besides selling his services. (This is the kind of thing they make really weird laws for after the fact.)

edited 14th Dec '11 3:52:50 PM by AceofSpades

15 USAF71314th Dec 2011 03:55:13 PM from the United States
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...aside from maybe prosecute him on charges of prostitution.

The article says, if I recall correctly, that he's doing it for free. I don't know that this would hold water, if so and if he were doing it the old-fashioned way.

If he has some sort of makeshift lab, I understand why the FDA would be concerned...
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16 MarkVonLewis14th Dec 2011 05:06:13 PM from Somewhere in Time , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Honestly, I gotta say when I heard about this story it sounded like the plot to a bad porno. Free sperm bank run outta the man's house? That really is the kinda of scenario that would be in porn.
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17 joeyjojo14th Dec 2011 05:15:55 PM from South Sydney: go the bunnies!
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This is an usual one. It would be interesting to see who the court sides with.

Yay! A bio ethics thread :D  
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18 AceofSpades14th Dec 2011 05:20:51 PM from The Wild Blue Yonder , Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
This is one of those real life Refuge in Audacity things, I feel. It's so confusing no one's sure there's really a crime being committed.
19 Joesolo14th Dec 2011 06:00:19 PM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Wtf, I don't even...

Anyway, if someone is so"low income" they can't afford fertility treatments, chances are they should be concentrating more on getting their lives and buget together then having children. Or they could adopt, seeing as who the father is isn't an issue and help kids that are in need.
[up]The typical fertility treatment costs ten grand (that's per round, not every round takes). A lot of the overhead is actually spent on the medical clinic's insurance bills. I think the idea here is that since the man is offering his supply for free, it gets around the usual insurance and legal nightmares most clinics have to deal with. He isn't performing any procedures that I'm aware of (the whole thing about him having sideways dance lessons with the ladies was me being flippant, folks - he's just rubbing one out into a cup and passing it off to the couple. And I'm sure that he has monthly STD checkups just to be safe - I hope).

So getting the sperm sample for free, well, that's probably a good chunk of the expense. And as for "low income families shouldn't have children", you do realize that you are basically advocating genocide based on class with that statement?
21 MarkVonLewis14th Dec 2011 06:35:21 PM from Somewhere in Time , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Honestly they could get around the FDA by not making it a sperm donor issue and more a "hook-up with the help of tequila" affair.
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22 USAF71314th Dec 2011 06:36:07 PM from the United States
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[up][up] Some brand of eugenics would be more accurate. Genocide would require active destruction (though, from a certain point of view, with abortion...).

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No, that's still not very good at all, actually. I mean, it's true, if you're poor you probably should be worrying about other things besides children, but... I don't like to even think about it, really.

[up] I don't think many people would want to do that...

edited 14th Dec '11 6:37:12 PM by USAF713

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23 AceofSpades14th Dec 2011 06:43:54 PM from The Wild Blue Yonder , Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
I think it's poorly worded, but Joesolo kind of has a point. Research I've read indicates that once poorer women have fewer children, (specifically, the choice to have less) they have more financial opportunities. Granted, that was in poor countries where women routinely have five or more, but I think it can apply here too.

Still, while this man may not be breaking laws currently, I'll bet this will result in a law against this specific thing. I have to wonder how a man is safely transporting sperm to the ladies. That takes some pretty serious medical equipment if you're not just having sex with them.
24 Joesolo15th Dec 2011 08:50:00 PM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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"genocide based on class"

Contradiction. Genocide is based on race.

I get your meaning though. I don't mean they shouldn't have children at all, what I mean is if they can't afford children ATM, then they should wait until they can.
25 TuefelHundenIV15th Dec 2011 09:40:58 PM from Wandering. , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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As harsh as that is, that is pretty good idea. The strain of children is difficult enough.
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