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San Francisco to have $10.24 minimum wage. Highest in nation:

 1 Acebrock, Mon, 12th Dec '11 11:47:21 AM from So-Cal Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature

I honestly think that this will bolster the economy in the area, and make things that much better for people (more money in their pockets means they can spend more, and more spending means more growth), though I'm sure others have disagreements.

On that note, what do other think?
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Why stop at $10.24? If a higher minimum wage is good for everyone, why not go even higher?

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[up] Because let's not go overboard.
[up] At what point do we hit "overboard"? What makes $10.24 just the right amount?

 5 Blue Ninja 0, Mon, 12th Dec '11 12:06:00 PM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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San Francisco also has one of the highest costs of living in the country. I'm not sure how much raising the minimum wage will raise the cost of living.
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 6 pvtnum 11, Mon, 12th Dec '11 12:45:37 PM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
That's only like 20-thousand a year, full-time. That's not a lot of money, especially for that area.

21299.20 a year, or less than the 2011 national rate of poverty of 22, 350 for a family of four. Yeah, a single person might scrape by on that, but a family...?

edited 12th Dec '11 12:47:22 PM by pvtnum11

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It's a nice, round amount.
 8 annebeeche, Mon, 12th Dec '11 1:06:16 PM from by the long tidal river
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Hey, doesn't Germany have a different minimum wage for every region based on cost of living in the region?
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Well it's 10.25/hour here, with a much lower cost of living, so yeah I guess they're getting there.

Great place to work if you live in another state and can teleport.

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>mfw when it's a cent more in Ontario
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 12 Inhopelessguy, Mon, 12th Dec '11 2:08:41 PM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
3.68 (16-17 yrs), 4.98 (16-20) and 6.08 (21+) here. There's no difference between local authorities, although that depends on how draconian your council taxes are.


Wait, they reduced the national minimum wage. 0_0

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[up]For here age doesn't matter. A 16 year old makes at least $10.25, which is something like 6 pounds.

edited 12th Dec '11 2:25:20 PM by Erock

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 14 Inhopelessguy, Mon, 12th Dec '11 2:28:07 PM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
Well, your hours are limited under the age of 18, anyway. You can technically work from about 14, but you are really limited in your hours and potential pay.

16 is the official working age (you can also get married, pay tax, serve in armed conflict, have sex, but not vote).
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Clearly this will mean the collapse of all capitalism in San Francisco.

 16 USAF713, Mon, 12th Dec '11 2:42:41 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
I should stand in for Savage (who currently is temporarily banned) and make the "and why the fuck is that bad?" argument.

But I won't. evil grin
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 17 Inhopelessguy, Mon, 12th Dec '11 2:46:08 PM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
He's banned? Why...?

Anyway, this doesn't seem so bad. Of course, my opinion is invalid, as I come from a socialist state controlled by a Marxist dictator. tongue

A minimum wage was good for the British economy, so I don't see why it wouldn't be good for San Fran.

 18 USAF713, Mon, 12th Dec '11 2:51:32 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
For the Virgina Tech cop thing. He'll be back soon enough, though.

Anyhow, I personally would prefer a minimum wage tied to cost of living and/or inflation (or whatever else would be necessary to do this, if my understanding of the economics is faulty) as to effectively be a de facto living wage. I do know for a fact that $7.25 an hour (last I checked) is not enough, and it should probably be double that, if nothing else...
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 19 Barkey, Mon, 12th Dec '11 5:25:25 PM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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It's 8.00 or 8.50 last I checked here in Cali, which in my area is not enough to get by.

You could pay rent for an apartment and have a miniscule amount of money left for food, that says nothing about making a car payment somehow. And that's assuming you get a full 40 hours a week.

The minimum wage should be the minimum amount required to live independently, if you want to pay anybody a bunch less, pay minors 2 dollars under minimum wage since they live with their parents anyway.
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I think the argument was about inflation if you increase minimum wage, or unemployment. But the examples used are rather contrived because that all industries would be affected by minimum wage (therefore all prices increase, but the reality is of course not true, and most importantly things like housing prices, car prices and food prices are not affected at all by minimum wage) and also that there's this one magical min-wage industry that all people try to get into to nab their jobs. Most people shouldn't be working at minimum wage in the first place unless they're youth, or these are throw-away jobs. Everyone should be working good jobs.

 21 JHM, Mon, 12th Dec '11 6:20:43 PM from Neither Here Nor There Relationship Status: I know
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The campaign against the minimum wage in some sectors has always made me uncomfortable, if only because it seems to come primarily from people who are under the impression that enormous businesses somehow need massive, 10%+ profit margins...
 22 Drunk Girlfriend, Mon, 12th Dec '11 7:15:11 PM from Castle Geekhaven
@Breadloaf: I wish adults were able to get more than minimum wage, but I only know a handful of people that make more than that.
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 23 Deboss, Mon, 12th Dec '11 9:49:09 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Eh, the results will depend. If this gets spread around but the whole "SF has a really high cost of living" doesn't, a lot of people might try to move closer and then won't be employed at all and then wind up homeless due to costs of living. It might effect it some other way, but I don't know.

Most people shouldn't be working at minimum wage in the first place unless they're youth, or these are throw-away jobs.

Disagree, a person is worth what their skill set is worth and no more. The unskilled are worth significantly less than someone who has training of some kind.
[up] by that argument, deboss, the untrained arent worth having enough salary to actually live and therefore deserve to die.
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