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 1 Earl of Sandvich, Thu, 8th Dec '11 12:52:25 PM from the Palouse Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
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This coming up as Boise State and San Diego State accepted football-only invites to the Big East Conference. DAMN. FUCKING. SILLY!

Now, before I get any further with this topic, I entered college life three years ago optimistic about it; after all what could go wrong? It's part of college culture and it can bring a sense of college pride and even benefit the universities, right? RIGHT?! Well, as time passes, I am increasingly convinced that the benefit just isn't coming. Also, there has been an increasing disregard for rivalries and/or geography, and with cuts on teachers' salaries being made right and left, the salaries of head coaches have only been INCREASING!

And who is the culprit of this? BCS football! Pretty much 99% of decisions being made in realignments involve short-term prowess in American Football, and such realignments are a profit-driven venture where teams would follow the Power-Conference money when being offered for their recent successes (though some may have been for a long time). Some teams may even abandon rivalries in order to seek a new conference, even disregard geography like the Boise State/SDSU example I brought up first thing. Such disregard in particular is dangerous, and it has the potential to ruin not only an entire conference due to travel costs, but also the teams furthest away from where the conference is based. I'll probably get to how postseason is laid out later.

Myself, I think that college sports is beyond fixing, and so scrapping everything and starting from scratch may seem like an inviting idea.
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 2 pvtnum 11, Thu, 8th Dec '11 1:08:45 PM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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I think College Sports are rather stupid, personally - Professional teams could simply recruit out of High School seniors. At least with that, you get a player who is even more fit and literally at the peak of their physical performance. Then they can go to college after they've used up their four years of professional lifespan with all that money in their pocket.

...but that's just, like, my opinion, man.
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 3 Earl of Sandvich, Thu, 8th Dec '11 1:24:24 PM from the Palouse Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
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[up] This reminds me... I believe we should have farm programs for football and basketball* , much like baseball does. That way, we can leave the student-athletics to STUDENT-athletes* , while more pro-minded players would have an opportunity to play the sport and have a chance to be picked by the pros. Of course student-athletes can also have the possibility, so it's a win-win situation to adopt a farm system.

edited 8th Dec '11 1:31:50 PM by EarlOfSandvich

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 4 Radical Taoist, Thu, 8th Dec '11 1:46:09 PM from the #GUniverse
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We don't need to create less educated athletic role models.
 5 pvtnum 11, Thu, 8th Dec '11 1:52:14 PM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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...implying that the ones we have are educated.
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 6 Barkey, Thu, 8th Dec '11 2:00:54 PM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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I don't see why athletes should be role models anyway... Any of them that I've ever looked up to for their drive and skill are never people who play the mainstream sports that are thought of as role models.

Marathon runners, those are your fucking role models, not some lazy ass who can play a few downs and then sit on the bench until a turnover.

I hate ego-centric sports like football, baseball, and soccer. The first two really don't require much athletic skill when compared to crosscountry, ironman, and mma. (Not implying that MMA isn't ego centric, it is)

edited 8th Dec '11 2:02:24 PM by Barkey

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 7 The Earth Sheep, Thu, 8th Dec '11 2:41:15 PM from a Pasture hexagon
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Ah, but the reason that universities spend more money on Football than anything else? To get at least that much back. It's an investment. Universities can get a lot of money by having a championship team, which also increases their national prestige.

Also, the BCS isn't that bad. I've heard all kinds of people perpetually touting the playoff system, but honestly I don't buy it. Basketball does that, and do you remember the last time a 16 seed beat the 1? Never. And I can't find any statistics looking at the winners through history and their seeds, but I can't recall a team seeded above 3 ever winning the tournament. I'm sure they have, but it's so rare it's not even funny. Besides, the BCS system is really complex, and the more I understand of it, the more I think it's the right call.
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I don't see why athletes should be role models anyway... Any of them that I've ever looked up to for their drive and skill are never people who play the mainstream sports that are thought of as role models.

Marathon runners, those are your fucking role models, not some lazy ass who can play a few downs and then sit on the bench until a turnover.
This, except that I think even the more impressive of athletes, like marathon runners, while a bit more impressive than other athletes, are hard-working in a not-very-meaningful way. That work goes into what, exercise? If we were to replace driving with bicycling, that would involve exercise and benefit the environment, so that by logic should be way more meaningful than even the best sports.

So yeah, I say don't bother fixing college sports, the entire concept of sports is ridiculous, and college should be about learning actually meaningful stuff like science and history, not stuff like the rules of some arbitrary games.
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 9 Earl of Sandvich, Thu, 8th Dec '11 5:50:28 PM from the Palouse Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
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An upset of that magnitude in the NCAA tournament is a long shot indeed, but for the lesser teams, an appearance at the tourney means more exposure to the school, whether or not they win a match. Let me repeat this: there is nothing really in for the BCS than profits, and the automatic qualifiers are indeed a problem. It's one thing that teams like LSU deservedly has the top spot for having an actual test for an OOC schedule, but the quality of bowls had gone down recently. Last year was bad enough when an unranked Connecticut was sent to the Fiesta Bowl through a fluke tiebreaker with West Virginia (although none of the Big East teams were anywhere near the 16th rank at the time), but this year it's as if they hardly care. Kansas State deserves a BCS shot more than Virginia Tech or Michigan for instance, and Boise State (although I don't like the team) being shafted just because it's not a champion for its conference when it's in the top ten, and then landed with a shitty matchup with a faltering Arizona State. I know the Big East is actually fighting for its life, but I can predict that obtaining Boise State AND SDSU would lead to disaster, particularly as far as recurring travel costs are concerned.

Furthermore, the BCS scores are a mockery to actual statistical work, driven by hype, faulty computer calculations and a tiny committee. Read this article for details

edited 8th Dec '11 5:53:48 PM by EarlOfSandvich

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There is a thread about this on Daily Dish :

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/end-college-sports.html

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/end-college-sports-ctd-1.html

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/end-college-sports-ctd.html

Ending college sports will end up with creation of profesional junior league like in England :

Pollitt points out that no other country has such a robust university-based sports system. She's right. What she ignores is that other sports-crazy nations have robust junior leagues for star athletes that enable them to blow off university altogether. As you're surely aware, the professional structure of English football goes WAY beyond the Premier League; the next seven tiers of the football pyramid (going down to the regional divisions) have a whopping 338 teams combined - dozens more professional or semi-pro minor league teams than baseball in the US (even counting all the independent semipro leagues), in a country one sixth the size of the US. (I know, I know, football dominates the sporting scene in England while baseball competes with several other major sports, but the point holds.)

 11 The Earth Sheep, Thu, 8th Dec '11 8:49:05 PM from a Pasture hexagon
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[up][up] Don't even get me started on Boise State. There is absolutely no reason that BSU should get into one the largest televised event in College athletics (iirc) for beating teams like Wyoming and New Mexico State over any random SEC team which had to get where they are through LSU, Alabama, Georgia, and countless other perennial top 10 teams. That's the reason automatic qualifiers exist, and the reason that strength of schedule is factored into the BCS algorithm.

Connecticut was a fluke. It really shouldn't have happened, but considering it's only happened once in the ten years the BCS has been operating, I'd say that's a decent record.

All bowl games give at least as much exposure to a football team than a tournament appearance by a basketball team, so that point isn't valid.
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 12 Deboss, Fri, 9th Dec '11 2:47:12 AM from Awesomeville Texas
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Cut support for it form school budgets.
 13 USAF713, Fri, 9th Dec '11 4:06:41 AM from the United States
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Bleh... I don't mind having sports teams, really, but I'd do away with scholarships for it (unless it's a special sports school... does such a thing exist, like art or music schools?) and reign in school focus on the subject, popular opinion be damned.

We're there to be educated, not to throw a ball around or watch others do so. Get your priorities straight, American colleges.
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 14 Earl of Sandvich, Fri, 9th Dec '11 6:21:08 AM from the Palouse Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
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[up][up][up] '04 and '08 Utah, '06 Boise State and '10 TCU all say hi. They all aren't from what you would call 'powerful' conferences, and this year's Mountain West is no different (it's more like a glorified last-year's-WAC), yet they won the BCS bowls they went to, although in '04, the Big East was just as undeserving of Power Conference status as they have been for the last couple years.

Really, "AQ status" has been rendered a joke through the Big East alone. There's no way, NO WAY that a team in the 20th or lower ranking should have a BCS shot, and it's still just as much a travesty to see Kansas State, who IS in a power conference AND in the top ten, to be left out in favor of Virginia Tech and Michigan. BCS rankings, in fact, are still a joke of a statistical nightmare

edited 9th Dec '11 8:48:11 AM by EarlOfSandvich

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Okay, I'm a little biased from growing up in a town that existed pretty much just to support a college football team, but my view: get rid of it. Completely.
 16 The Gloomer, Sat, 10th Dec '11 2:51:51 AM from Northern Ireland
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I think we might have a few teams at my university, but they don't seem to be very well known. I guess we're less concerned about university sports than they are in other schools.

That being said, I'm not really interested in sports. I'm more involved with music, but obviously both require considerable practice and development of one's skills if one wishes to be any good.

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@12 would be a loss for schools with prestigious football programs to do that. Schools with perennial BCS contenders make substantial profits from their football programs.
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Wait. This thread presumes that there is something wrong with the current system, but I don't see it. Could someone please explain how college sports is a problem in any way? From where I stand, it seems to supply revenue to schools and does not interfere with any students outside of the college football scene.
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^I grew up in Tuscaloosa. The university basically doesn't have a point other than the football team, with them spending the majority of their budget on it. And the town takes it seriously. Very, very seriously. When I said the entire town exists to support the football team, I did not consider that an exaggeration.

Here's a Youtube video of an ESPN commercial featuring people saying the team's slogan in every possible situation, because their lives revolve entirely around the team. If you weren't from Tuscaloosa, you would think the ad's creators were joking, but they aren't. That's just how it is there.

edited 10th Dec '11 3:52:56 AM by INUH

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Hard to say the school suffers much for it though. 'Bama's consistently ranked highly among public universities in academics as well.
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 21 Pink Heart Chainsaw, Sat, 10th Dec '11 4:07:25 AM from Land of Rape and Honey
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I do think that college sports shouldn't be as prevalent as it is. However I do think that there still should be sports centers. Personally I enjoy a good game of football (I don't like watching it on TV but actually experiencing it and playing it). I simply think that football and other such sports should be considered a helpful but not necessary experience. We all could use a little exercise after all.
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@INUH: But how is that a problem? The school specializes in one field (In this case sports) and other schools specialize in other fields. I get that it might be annoying to hear people talking about it the whole time, but I still don't see why it's a problem.

[up]You realise that it is extracurricular, yeah? I don't think you can get less prevalent without removing it from the whole school.

edited 10th Dec '11 4:08:54 AM by YeahBro

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 23 Pink Heart Chainsaw, Sat, 10th Dec '11 4:11:21 AM from Land of Rape and Honey
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[up] Oh...I forgot that element. Thanks Bro.
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^^Because it's claiming to be a school, and people go there to get an education. And instead, they get a football team.

edited 10th Dec '11 7:30:24 AM by INUH

 25 The Gloomer, Sat, 10th Dec '11 9:55:04 AM from Northern Ireland
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I suppose there would be a problem if sports began to get inordinate attention compared to other extra-cirricular activities, but then again, since I'm not an American student I don't feel that I can adequately appreciate how important sports are to a lot of American universities.

I mean, I've seen the stadia that sometimes get built for college football matches (Do those ever get used by musicians on tour? I imagine that would be quite a good source of income for the school).

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