Is this rape?

Or you're trying to judge what's in-character and out-of-character for characters you have no familiarity with.

Fair enough. In that case, as Bro notes, I'd imagine her recent traumatic experience and its various consequences to be rather more important to her than any matters of romance.

Put simply, when you include an event like this, it is going to dominate the plot.

edited 8th Dec '11 11:37:17 PM by Iaculus

So how would you feel if I had her react by just shrugging and going "Whatever" ?

I wouldn't believe that at all.

@OP,

No... but it is fucking weird...

I think what people are trying to say is that if you're going to do a fic with elements like you brought up, if said elements aren't handled delicately people are just going to discount your ship.

@Bro: I wouldn't say that all fics with shipping as a focus are fap-fics. I'm currently writing a fic set in an AU verse, and I'm using it to explore issues of racism, especially how it was both condoned and engrained into the society of the 1920s.

The two main characters, who DID have a one-sided attraction in canon (which has a wildly different setting) are also going to slowly develop a relationship by the end. I don't really see why working in shipping through character development makes the fic any less about racism in the 1920s and how it might end up even worse if there were some fantastic elements thrown in, where a large but still-minority subsection of the human race had traits immediately and visably identifiable as being shared with various animals, through no fault of their own.

So, barring the debate on how female reproduction works on pages 1-2, would you say I handled it delicately enough?

I haven't read your story, so I wouldn't know. Something that goes a long way in situations like this, though, is to recognize in-story that it's not a particularly healthy way for a romance to begin. I'm personally a lot more willing to give passes to ships with unhealthy power dynamics etc if the fics with that pairing are willing to at least briefly touch on the issues, and ideally explore the issues.

edited 9th Dec '11 9:31:57 PM by Katrika

So you're not going to?

:(

Alright, just from reading the first part of the first chapter, I can see you're not whitewashing a lot of the important reasons why it's a horrific procedure (and I assume that part's canon), too. It ALSO doesn't seem you're pairing the victim up with the abductor like I first thought, but instead she's going to be paired with someone she already cared about who's only really consenting to all this because he's been told she'd go through something even WORSE if he doesn't. He's being coerced, in other words.

I find it a sufficiently delicate handling, although others may disagree.

I wonder what Yeah Bro would say if I did that.

You don't want to know how much I would chastise you if you were to glorify sexual abuse. So please don't.

Would you be ok with it, if the narrative said it was fucked up and brought up multiple issues?

Depends on how well it does it. Rape and sexual abuse are very difficult things to deal with in a non-offensive way and in a way that does not glorify it. I would recommend that most people should not really attempt to deal with it, because more likely than not it will end up being insensitive or pro-rape. However if it was done well, then it would not be a problem.

TL;DR: Don't put rape in a story unless you know exactly what you're doing and have the writing chops to actually do it well. Even if you have the last two, don't put it in if you're going to glorify it, that's just wrong.

The thread should have ended here:

^Agreed, Kasch.

edited 11th Dec '11 12:34:08 AM by RocketDude

I suppose there's a reason Ayashi no Ceres is super super obscure.

Would it be ok if the author at least warns for the rape?

Is my egg vacuum fanfic more acceptable now that I've added a second opening quote that acknowledges the story's possible contrivedness?