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What is the deal with anti-race mixing?:

 1 Pink Heart Chainsaw, Mon, 28th Nov '11 10:23:24 AM from Land of Rape and Honey
PinkChainsaw
I've been viewing racist websites and videos on youtube (It's a Guilty Pleasure of mine). I still don't get what is so important about "preserving the beauty of the white race" and all that sorts of jazz. I know this is simple and pretty much "easy mode" for intellectual debates but I still have some questions. That and this mostly concerns white racialist views, though I would argue that black/asian supremacists use the same arguments.

  1. The cultural expectations of beauty are different across the globe. There are many a video and pics of white women who I simply don't find very attractive at all and the pictures of African women as being quite attractive. Even with the weird cultural earlobes and such things. That and they are mostly about the beauty of white women. What about the beautiful white men?

  2. If you want to preserve history so damn much then you could simply record what you found at your ancestor's precursor land and fight against the destruction of historical sites. You don't need to be racist about it.

  3. Half-White/Half-Other children are still half-white. It's kind of obvious to tell mixed children from non-mixed children.

Thanks Tzetze.

edited 28th Nov '11 10:41:19 AM by PinkHeartChainsaw

"If there is a hole then it's a man's job to thrust into it" - Ryoma from New Getter Robo
 2 Carciofus, Mon, 28th Nov '11 10:29:54 AM from Alpha Tucanae I
Is that cake frosting?
People have bloody stupid ideas sometimes. That's about it.

Half-White/Half-Other children
I read that as "half-white/half-otter". I will admit that that might be slightly distressing to see tongue
But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 3 Tzetze, Mon, 28th Nov '11 10:35:32 AM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
You can make an actual numbered list by using # instead of *.

The cultural expectations of beauty are different across the globe.

They don't care. They think the other expectations are wrong.

That and they are mostly about the beauty of white women. What about the beautiful white men?

Well, sometimes racism overlaps with old beliefs about female sexuality (and sexuality in general).

If you want to preserve history so damn much then you could simply record what you found at your ancestor's precursor land and fight against the destruction of historical sites. You don't need to be racist about it.

Some people consider "racial purity" in the same way you might think about a historical landmark.

Half-White/Half-Other children are still half-white.

They're also half-other. Concerns of purity again, plus the now "tainted" person can have their own "tainted" kids.
 4 tricksterson, Mon, 28th Nov '11 10:39:26 AM from Behind you with an icepick Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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It's not just whites. Black women are statistically the least likely to engage in an inter-racial relationship.
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 5 Carciofus, Mon, 28th Nov '11 10:42:11 AM from Alpha Tucanae I
Is that cake frosting?
The whole "preserving history" concept seems utterly bizarre to me in this context. Do they really think that their ancestors, whose cultural heritage they claim to be so set on preserving, subscribed to the "racial purity" views that were briefly popular during a brief and, frankly, stupid period of modern history?

That a Viking, a Celt, a Greek or Roman of old would have had any particular taboo against sleeping with people from different countries or even — *gasp* — with different skin colors?

Really, everybody who is alive today is probably a mixture of quite a number of different ethnic groups. Which, of course, always were quite a lot more fluid than white supremacists seem to believe.

[up]I was under the impression that this was less about Black women finding white people unattractive and more about Western standards of beauty considering, for some unfathomable reason, Black women generally less attractive.

edited 28th Nov '11 10:46:33 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

I'm pretty sure it's every group being racist against Black women that prevents their mixing (find me a culture that doesn't put them on the lowest rung, hmm... unless native americans are lower than that).

I guess generally speaking that the anti-race mixing crowd are of two types:

  • The supremacists who believe that racial purity must be preserved. They make some arbitrary definition as the "race" and then demand that it be preserved. This to them is similar to people who want certain cultural traditions to keep going (which depending on the tradition can be good/neutral/bad)

  • The purists who believe that mixed couples have intercommunication and social issues isn't worth the liberal expression of love. These are more typical of non-white groups in North America (but they aren't going to make websites out of it generally speaking). So they figure if a couple has matching language, cultural identity and so on, it makes life easier and improves quality of life. That or they figure that the white individual in the relationship is always going to look down on the non-white individual and they'd rather not have their child in that position.

 7 Carciofus, Mon, 28th Nov '11 11:02:26 AM from Alpha Tucanae I
Is that cake frosting?
People belonging to different cultures certainly risk to face communication problems. These are not necessarily insurmountable, obviously; but still, a marriage between a Western person and a Vietnamese or a Tibetan or a Central African and so on might require the couple to pay some care to cultural differences and misunderstandings.

But this has nothing to do with race, strictly speaking.

edited 28th Nov '11 11:03:12 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 8 pvtnum 11, Mon, 28th Nov '11 11:03:58 AM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
The whole anti-race mixing thing is simply racism, and should be reviled as such.
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 9 Heavy DDR, Mon, 28th Nov '11 11:08:16 AM from Central Texas
What's Gravity Falls.
This definitely isn't a white-only thing. Depending on how culturally-bonded your family is, trying to hook up with someone of a different race is considered dangerous, risky, or even immoral.

The "less racist" version of this is that people of these mindsets want to rely on people they can "trust." They want their children to marry people similar to themselves. Any culture that values family bonds may fall into this, because they believe a big, healthy family that communicates well is very important. They're not wrong to think this, but it's wrong of them to think cultures other than them are outsiders or weirdos.

But I mean, this seems to be a dying taboo, at least in America, so...
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 10 Carciofus, Mon, 28th Nov '11 11:11:25 AM from Alpha Tucanae I
Is that cake frosting?
How can America even have this kind of taboo? I mean, come on — U.S. "Whites" are a random Germanic/Anglo-Saxon/Irish mixture, with quite a bit of Southern European and Central/Southern American thrown in to taste... tongue

EDIT: In Italy, if we want to get really old-fashioned, even marrying people from different regions has been frowned upon a little. People who did that were stupid, obviously — but as the old proverb says,

Mogli e buoi dei paesi tuoi (''Get wives and cows from your own towns")
I mean, if we are going to be racist, why not throw some sexism in too? tongue

edited 28th Nov '11 11:16:10 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

No man, White is... WHITE!

Generally, yes it is all racism but I'm guessing the OP was asking for rationales disregarding the morality of it.

I mean I've seen all sorts of crazy arguments. One argument by white supremacists was that black men are incapable of not raping beautiful white women on sight, therefore you can't have white/black mixing. Another was that Asian women (I'm guessing they don't care what kind of Asian) are sexual fiends, much akin to a succubus, and therefore mixing with them was bad.

Then you have those rivalries. Koreans can't date Japanese (they're our enemy). Chinese can't date blacks (that's bad socioeconomics).

Most of the issue with anti-race mixing, is that it is what is causing the socioeconomic problems in the first place (alongside all the other racism).

 12 Pink Heart Chainsaw, Mon, 28th Nov '11 11:28:09 AM from Land of Rape and Honey
PinkChainsaw
I'm starting to see the point. I think that most racialists have an inflated sense of pride for something they haven't actually done. One slur used against race mixers is that both participants are ugly and only "mudshark" because they are both ugly or whatever. This obviously isn't the case with many people I know.
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 13 Carciofus, Mon, 28th Nov '11 11:31:11 AM from Alpha Tucanae I
Is that cake frosting?
One slur used against race mixers is that both participants are ugly and only "mudshark" because they are both ugly or whatever.
I don't see it. Why would an ugly black-skinned person have an easier time marrying an ugly white-skinned person than another ugly black-skinned one?

edited 28th Nov '11 11:42:50 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

Three-Puppet Saluter
Weirdly, the first person I heard espouse this was my elementary-school music teacher, who was scared that all the races were mixing together because it messed with the preservation of diverse cultures. Given that about a quarter of my class was mixed-race, this managed to be the most stunningly paradoxical collision of racial sensitivity and damnfool bigotry grade-schoolers have ever known.
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 15 Pink Heart Chainsaw, Mon, 28th Nov '11 11:37:09 AM from Land of Rape and Honey
PinkChainsaw
I don't know but ask this lady as to how. http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=84594

[down]It's the racist section of that website. She's not actually on FSTDT but RSTDT.

edited 28th Nov '11 12:09:19 PM by PinkHeartChainsaw

"If there is a hole then it's a man's job to thrust into it" - Ryoma from New Getter Robo
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...How is she a fundie?
Hail Martin Septim!
 17 MRDA 1981, Mon, 28th Nov '11 12:16:40 PM from Hell (London), UK.
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[up][up]Sounds like she just wants some white cock down her throat.
 18 Drunk Girlfriend, Mon, 28th Nov '11 1:22:59 PM from Castle Geekhaven
Thread Hop:

Because people are stupid sometimes. /thread
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Weirdly, the first person I heard espouse this was my elementary-school music teacher, who was scared that all the races were mixing together because it messed with the preservation of diverse cultures. Given that about a quarter of my class was mixed-race, this managed to be the most stunningly paradoxical collision of racial sensitivity and damnfool bigotry grade-schoolers have ever known.

I can get the logic behind that. Personal identity is a big part of someone's sense of self. And we tend to define ourselves based on how many clearly defined groups we are a part of.

Of course, many of us as we get older, simply decide that it's more important to be true to ourselves rather than trying to find as many "groups to belong to" as possible.

The discontinued Troper Tale pages called Stereotype Flip, Mistaken Nationality, and But Not Too Black actually touched on RL people's experiences with not "preserving" the culture of the socio-economic group they're a part of.
It was an honor
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[up] Wouldn't it be technically more accurate to say you're actually a part of more groups if you're mixed-race than not, though? Of course, that requires yourself and others to admit that you're a full part of both cultures rather than belonging to neither...
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Generally speaking, the purists in the two cultures do tend to reject mixed people. It's a sad part of life.

 22 MRDA 1981, Mon, 28th Nov '11 2:11:03 PM from Hell (London), UK.
Tyrannicidal Maniac
I've noticed that some blackfolk have a problem with mixed race folk who embrace all their ancestries, instead of just their black one.
 23 Carciofus, Mon, 28th Nov '11 2:11:37 PM from Alpha Tucanae I
Is that cake frosting?
Generally speaking, the purists in the two cultures do tend to reject mixed people. It's a sad part of life.
Depends on what you mean by "purist of a culture".

I am pretty sure that most "white supremacists" could not recognize Snorri Sturluson if he personally teabagged them. tongue

edited 28th Nov '11 2:12:47 PM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

NCC - 1701
Wouldn't it be technically more accurate to say you're actually a part of more groups if you're mixed-race than not, though? Of course, that requires yourself and others to admit that you're a full part of both cultures rather than belonging to neither...

She of short stature and impeccable logic, indeed.

I am pretty sure that most "White supremacists" would not recognize Snorri Sturluson if he personally teabagged them.

On the giving thanks for TV Tropes page, somebody just commented on the absolute comedy gold on this site.

edited 28th Nov '11 2:13:40 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

It was an honor
For the same reason why people want to preserve "the sanctity of marriage", or "traditional gender roles", and the likes.

People like the things that they are familiar with, the established.

Either that, or intentionally hateful supremacist propaganda.

Often, it's somewhere in-between.

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