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 101 Ira The Squire, Thu, 16th Aug '12 4:54:04 PM from No idea. Measuring speed
Phyrexian Dalek
Yeah, sure. Which is why I am curious as to what exactly apart from tar is carcinogenic. If tar isn't the only thing that is carcinogenic, I'd like to know what else in tobacco is. Not questioning as to whether chewing tobacco causes cancer or not.

edited 16th Aug '12 4:55:10 PM by IraTheSquire

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 102 Wulf, Thu, 16th Aug '12 4:58:13 PM from Louisiana
Gotta trope, dood!
If I recall correctly, it's one part the various chemicals and flavor enhancers and shit, and one part the fact that even without all that, you're regularly inhaling smoke. I was under the impression that e-cigs are somewhat healthier, but I don't smoke, so I don't know.

Re: the topic— I'm a non-smoker against smoking bans. I don't care for having to walk through a crowd of smokers on my way to class in the morning, but it's not that big a deal. I'd prefer it if they wouldn't block the stairs, but eh.
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 103 Ira The Squire, Thu, 16th Aug '12 5:00:23 PM from No idea. Measuring speed
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Yeah, but if we're talking about just chewing tobacco than there shouldn't be any flavor enhancers and other artificial chemicals involved. It has to be from something naturally found in tobacco.
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2) ???

3) PROFIT!
Well there's plenty of studies showing it causes cancer and probably a quick google will find you some. I'm not a biologist so I won't talk about what I don't know about; which is the detailed list of chemicals which are carcinogenic.

 105 Yuanchosaan, Thu, 16th Aug '12 5:10:19 PM from Australia Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, she is imaginary
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^^There are so many chemicals in cigarettes that we don't know exactly what all of them do. I doubt smokeless tobacco is as harmful as smoking it in cigarette form, but I'll do some research first.
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 106 Ira The Squire, Thu, 16th Aug '12 5:13:24 PM from No idea. Measuring speed
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[up][up] & [up] Hey, I'll probably do just that. In fact, I have access to database and can pull out the full papers.

Just saying that I'm curious, that's all.

Edit:

The doses of nicotine in smokeless tobacco products, particularly in moist snuff, are manipulated by commercial manufac- turers, and levels vary among product types and brands as a result of tobacco-processing techniques. In addition, all smokeless tobacco products expose users to a number of iden- tified carcinogens that arise mainly during post-harvest processing of the tobacco

I am utterly disgusted by tobacco companies right now.

edited 16th Aug '12 5:38:45 PM by IraTheSquire

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3) PROFIT!
Well... that seems stupid.

We used to smoke tobacco (I mean back when there weren't Europeans in the New World), so was it the act of smoking or is the tobacco itself still bad? People of the longhouse had all sorts of problems with smoke inhalation.

 108 Ira The Squire, Thu, 16th Aug '12 7:16:30 PM from No idea. Measuring speed
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If that study is right, it seems that carcinogens are added into the tobacco chews during the processing, which is completely irresponsible on the part of the tobacco companies (imagine food companies adding carcinogens into their canned food). Tobacco smoke, however, is always bad (just like any smoke, really. Yes, even the smoke from barbecue is bad for you).

I have to have a deeper look to see if there are studies on unprocessed natural tobacco. I would be surprised though to find that natural tobacco has carcinogenic substances, given that mutagens are as bad for plants as for animals, and would like to see how tobacco plants fight against the poison that they produce themselves.

edited 16th Aug '12 7:17:19 PM by IraTheSquire

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2) ???

3) PROFIT!
 109 Barkey, Thu, 16th Aug '12 8:30:52 PM from Bunker 051
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^

How is that any different than putting additives in cigs? You technically could chew unprocessed chewing tobacco, though it'd taste pretty foul. Just like you can roll your own cigarettes if you get all natural tobacco without additives.
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 110 Ira The Squire, Thu, 16th Aug '12 9:35:51 PM from No idea. Measuring speed
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[up] No difference. Both are just as bad when the additives are harmful. And rolling up your own cigarettes doesn't help because the burning that you do when smoking creates tar, which itself is carcinogenic.

I've never touched tobacco before so I don't know how foul it tastes like, though given that cultures have chewed tobacco before tobacco companies come along I'd say that it would be tolerable at least.

edited 16th Aug '12 9:37:53 PM by IraTheSquire

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Yeah, foul tasting? People compete on how bitter coffee can get.

 112 Barkey, Fri, 17th Aug '12 12:47:07 PM from Bunker 051
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Chew is pretty gross. Just my opinion.
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 113 drunkscriblerian, Sat, 18th Aug '12 1:22:27 AM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
Street Writing Man
[up]Having worked with plenty of guys that chew (and a few girls, believe it or not), yeah that shit is foul. Smoke is better than breath that smells like a mint-addled sewer pipe. Just saying.

Also, I love how many people hate the tobacco companies for their ad campaigns but give a free pass to the anti-smoking crowd when they use the same techniques...

edited 18th Aug '12 1:23:27 AM by drunkscriblerian

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 114 Deviant Braeburn, Sat, 18th Aug '12 1:44:47 AM from Dysfunctional California
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[up]

It's probably because the anti-smoking crowd aren't pushing a highly addictive product that kills millions every year.

Honestly, if it were up to me I wouldn't even let the tabacoo company run advertisements.

edited 18th Aug '12 1:51:32 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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 115 drunkscriblerian, Sat, 18th Aug '12 2:01:44 AM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
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[up]Conceit is the Devil's horse and reformers generally ride it when they are in a hurry.
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 116 Deviant Braeburn, Sat, 18th Aug '12 2:03:18 AM from Dysfunctional California
Wandering Jew
[up]

...What? Stop speaking in fanciful riddles.

@Barkey "Chew is highly unhealthy, right in the same league as smoking easily."

I've read multiple times that Chewing Tobacco is the most unhealthy form of Tobacco you can take {which says a lot}. But then again Chewing can't hurt others like Smoking can...

edited 18th Aug '12 2:16:10 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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 117 Ira The Squire, Sat, 18th Aug '12 4:58:44 AM from No idea. Measuring speed
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Also, I love how many people hate the tobacco companies for their ad campaigns but give a free pass to the anti-smoking crowd when they use the same techniques...

Well, I don't hate them for ad campaigns. I dislike their way of putting unnecessary additives that are either harmful or makes it more addictive in their products.
1) Patent a deadly virus and its treatment. Spread it. Charge outrageous prices to anyone you want dead.

2) ???

3) PROFIT!
 118 Greenmantle, Sat, 18th Aug '12 5:11:43 AM from New-Old Wessex Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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@ Deviant:

Honestly, if it were up to me I wouldn't even let the tabacoo company run advertisements.

A lot of First World countries don't allow tabacco advertising — in fact some won't even allow them to be displayed openly in shops and Australia doesn't even allow (now) anything else but plain packaging. And of course tabacco is taxed to the hilt.
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 119 Deviant Braeburn, Sat, 18th Aug '12 5:22:53 AM from Dysfunctional California
Wandering Jew
[up]

Is it wrong that reading that made me happy?
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 120 Greenmantle, Sat, 18th Aug '12 5:45:25 AM from New-Old Wessex Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Nah, just shows you how far you are behind the European Union.
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 121 Fighteer, Sat, 18th Aug '12 7:56:49 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
And it's spelled "tobacco". Just wanted to point that out.
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 122 Barkey, Sat, 18th Aug '12 9:50:04 AM from Bunker 051
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You know, not everything that the US does differently than the EU is automatically wrong.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 123 optimusjamie, Sat, 18th Aug '12 12:01:19 PM from Mega-City One Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I don't particularly like smoking but I think that people who smoke should be able to somewhere, just not indoors (aside from their own home, that is).
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 124 Game Guru GG, Sat, 18th Aug '12 12:16:17 PM from Earth Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Titan
Technically, the only ads for tobacco that are allowed in the United States are magazine ads and even they are highly regulated... There's no television ads or radio ads and I've never seen a web ad for the stuff. Oddly enough, the most prevalent anti-smoking ads comes from... er, Phillip-Morris, a prevalent maker of tobacco products.

Really, so long as the smoker is outside their building and at least a distance away from the path so that non-smokers are a reasonable distance away, it should be okay. Smoking as an action is harmful to others because of the smoke, after all, and that really should be the dividing line. It's not something like junk food, which only harm the user.
 125 Fighteer, Sat, 18th Aug '12 12:20:16 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Anti-smoking ads are one of those paradoxical things that the tobacco companies love because they get to push their product even while telling people it's not good to use. Do Not Do This Cool Thing is the trope for that.
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