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2021: The New Europe (Niall Ferguson predictions):

 1 secretist, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 9:30:41 AM from Ame no Kisaki
WSJ artcile Niall Campbell Douglas Ferguson He makes several predictions of the future in the article. You can tell by the map:
  • The EU becomes the United States of Europe
  • Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Demark form the Norse League
  • Ireland and the United Kingdom form the Reunited Kingdom
  • Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland form Laissez-faire Land
  • Above three unions are not part of the EU/USE (ie NL, RK, and LFL)
  • Vienna replaces Brussels as the capital of Europe
  • Belgium splits into Flanders and Wallochia

Several other changes are predicted to happen:
  • Israel attacks Iran to prevent nuclear Iran
  • Arab Spring puts Islamists in power in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, etc.
    • Muslim Brotherhood via the Justice and Freedom Party controls Egypt
  • Egypt reverses its peace policy with Egypt
  • Israel's neighbors follow the Egyptian trend
  • America sends battleships to protect Israel
  • Iran captures said battleships
  • Obama takes the blame for this faux pas
  • Mitt Romney gets elected President in a landslide
  • Germany and Austria become the core of Europe

Do you think NF's predictions will turn out to be true or false? Do you think that said events are good or bad? Also, what do you feel about the unlisted predictions I didn't have room or time to mention?

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2021: The New Europe Niall Ferguson peers into Europe's future and sees Greek gardeners, German sunbathers—and a new fiscal union. Welcome to the other United States.

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By NIALL FERGUSON [europe1] Map illustration by Peter Arkle

'Life is still far from easy in the peripheral states of the United States of Europe (as the euro zone is now known).'

Welcome to Europe, 2021. Ten years have elapsed since the great crisis of 2010-11, which claimed the scalps of no fewer than 10 governments, including Spain and France. Some things have stayed the same, but a lot has changed.

The euro is still circulating, though banknotes are now seldom seen. (Indeed, the ease of electronic payments now makes some people wonder why creating a single European currency ever seemed worth the effort.) But Brussels has been abandoned as Europe's political headquarters. Vienna has been a great success.

"There is something about the Habsburg legacy, " explains the dynamic new Austrian Chancellor Marsha Radetzky. "It just seems to make multinational politics so much more fun."

The U.S. has lost its position as the best place to do business, and China and the rest of the East have so mastered the ways of the West that they're charting a whole new economic paradigm, Harvard historian Niall Ferguson says in an interview with WSJ's John Bussey. Photo courtesy of Jeff Bush.

The Germans also like the new arrangements. "For some reason, we never felt very welcome in Belgium, " recalls German Chancellor Reinhold Siegfried von Gotha-Dämmerung.

Life is still far from easy in the peripheral states of the United States of Europe (as the euro zone is now known). Unemployment in Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain has soared to 20%. But the creation of a new system of fiscal federalism in 2012 has ensured a steady stream of funds from the north European core.

Like East Germans before them, South Europeans have grown accustomed to this trade-off. With a fifth of their region's population over 65 and a fifth unemployed, people have time to enjoy the good things in life. And there are plenty of euros to be made in this gray economy, working as maids or gardeners for the Germans, all of whom now have their second homes in the sunny south.

The U.S.E. has actually gained some members. Lithuania and Latvia stuck to their plan of joining the euro, following the example of their neighbor Estonia. Poland, under the dynamic leadership of former Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski, did the same. These new countries are the poster children of the new Europe, attracting German investment with their flat taxes and relatively low wages.

But other countries have left.

David Cameron—now beginning his fourth term as British prime minister—thanks his lucky stars that, reluctantly yielding to pressure from the Euroskeptics in his own party, he decided to risk a referendum on EU membership. His Liberal Democrat coalition partners committed political suicide by joining Labour's disastrous "Yeah to Europe" campaign.

Egged on by the pugnacious London tabloids, the public voted to leave by a margin of 59% to 41%, and then handed the Tories an absolute majority in the House of Commons. Freed from the red tape of Brussels, England is now the favored destination of Chinese foreign direct investment in Europe. And rich Chinese love their Chelsea apartments, not to mention their splendid Scottish shooting estates.

In some ways this federal Europe would gladden the hearts of the founding fathers of European integration. At its heart is the Franco-German partnership launched by Jean Monnet and Robert Schuman in the 1950s. But the U.S.E. of 2021 is a very different thing from the European Union that fell apart in 2011.
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It was fitting that the disintegration of the EU should be centered on the two great cradles of Western civilization, Athens and Rome. But George Papandreou and Silvio Berlusconi were by no means the first European leaders to fall victim to what might be called the curse of the euro.

Since financial fear had started to spread through the euro zone in June 2010, no fewer than seven other governments had fallen: in the Netherlands, Slovakia, Belgium, Ireland, Finland, Portugal and Slovenia. The fact that nine governments fell in less than 18 months—with another soon to follow—was in itself remarkable.

But not only had the euro become a government-killing machine. It was also fostering a new generation of populist movements, like the Dutch Party for Freedom and the True Finns. Belgium was on the verge of splitting in two. The very structures of European politics were breaking down.

Who would be next? The answer was obvious. After the election of Nov. 20, 2011, the Spanish prime minister, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, stepped down. His defeat was such a foregone conclusion that he had decided the previous April not to bother seeking re-election.

And after him? The next leader in the crosshairs was the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, who was up for re-election the following April.

The question on everyone's minds back in November 2011 was whether Europe's monetary union—so painstakingly created in the 1990s—was about to collapse. Many pundits thought so. Indeed, New York University's influential Nouriel Roubini argued that not only Greece but also Italy would have to leave—or be kicked out of—the euro zone.

But if that had happened, it is hard to see how the single currency could have survived. The speculators would immediately have turned their attention to the banks in the next weakest link (probably Spain). Meanwhile, the departing countries would have found themselves even worse off than before. Overnight all of their banks and half of their nonfinancial corporations would have been rendered insolvent, with euro-denominated liabilities but drachma or lira assets.

Restoring the old currencies also would have been ruinously expensive at a time of already chronic deficits. New borrowing would have been impossible to finance other than by printing money. These countries would quickly have found themselves in an inflationary tailspin that would have negated any benefits of devaluation.

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Some bumpy moments in recent EU history.

For all these reasons, I never seriously expected the euro zone to break up. To my mind, it seemed much more likely that the currency would survive—but that the European Union would disintegrate. After all, there was no legal mechanism for a country like Greece to leave the monetary union. But under the Lisbon Treaty's special article 50, a member state could leave the EU. And that is precisely what the British did.
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Britain got lucky. Accidentally, because of a personal feud between Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, the United Kingdom didn't join the euro zone after Labour came to power in 1997. As a result, the U.K. was spared what would have been an economic calamity when the financial crisis struck.

With a fiscal position little better than most of the Mediterranean countries' and a far larger banking system than in any other European economy, Britain with the euro would have been Ireland to the power of eight. Instead, the Bank of England was able to pursue an aggressively expansionary policy. Zero rates, quantitative easing and devaluation greatly mitigated the pain and allowed the "Iron Chancellor" George Osborne to get ahead of the bond markets with pre-emptive austerity. A better advertisement for the benefits of national autonomy would have been hard to devise.

At the beginning of David Cameron's premiership in 2010, there had been fears that the United Kingdom might break up. But the financial crisis put the Scots off independence; small countries had fared abysmally. And in 2013, in a historical twist only a few die-hard Ulster Unionists had dreamt possible, the Republic of Ireland's voters opted to exchange the austerity of the U.S.E. for the prosperity of the U.K. Postsectarian Irishmen celebrated their citizenship in a Reunited Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland with the slogan: "Better Brits Than Brussels."

Another thing no one had anticipated in 2011 was developments in Scandinavia. Inspired by the True Finns in Helsinki, the Swedes and Danes—who had never joined the euro—refused to accept the German proposal for a "transfer union" to bail out Southern Europe. When the energy-rich Norwegians suggested a five-country Norse League, bringing in Iceland, too, the proposal struck a chord.

The new arrangements are not especially popular in Germany, admittedly. But unlike in other countries, from the Netherlands to Hungary, any kind of populist politics continues to be verboten in Germany. The attempt to launch a "True Germans" party (Die wahren Deutschen) fizzled out amid the usual charges of neo-Nazism.

The defeat of Angela Merkel's coalition in 2013 came as no surprise following the German banking crisis of the previous year. Taxpayers were up in arms about Ms. Merkel's decision to bail out Deutsche Bank, despite the fact that Deutsche's loans to the ill-fated European Financial Stability Fund had been made at her government's behest. The German public was simply fed up with bailing out bankers. "Occupy Frankfurt" won.

Yet the opposition Social Democrats essentially pursued the same policies as before, only with more pro-European conviction. It was the SPD that pushed through the treaty revision that created the European Finance Funding Office (fondly referred to in the British press as "Eff Off"), effectively a European Treasury Department to be based in Vienna.

It was the SPD that positively welcomed the departure of the awkward Brits and Scandinavians, persuading the remaining 21 countries to join Germany in a new federal United States of Europe under the Treaty of Potsdam in 2014. With the accession of the six remaining former Yugoslav states—Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia—total membership in the U.S.E. rose to 28, one more than in the precrisis EU. With the separation of Flanders and Wallonia, the total rose to 29.

Crucially, too, it was the SPD that whitewashed the actions of Mario Draghi, the Italian banker who had become president of the European Central Bank in early November 2011. Mr. Draghi went far beyond his mandate in the massive indirect buying of Italian and Spanish bonds that so dramatically ended the bond-market crisis just weeks after he took office. In effect, he turned the ECB into a lender of last resort for governments.

But Mr. Draghi's brand of quantitative easing had the great merit of working. Expanding the ECB balance sheet put a floor under asset prices and restored confidence in the entire European financial system, much as had happened in the U.S. in 2009. As Mr. Draghi said in an interview in December 2011, "The euro could only be saved by printing it."

So the European monetary union did not fall apart, despite the dire predictions of the pundits in late 2011. On the contrary, in 2021 the euro is being used by more countries than before the crisis.

As accession talks begin with Ukraine, German officials talk excitedly about a future Treaty of Yalta, dividing Eastern Europe anew into Russian and European spheres of influence. One source close to Chancellor Gotha-Dämmerung joked last week: "We don't mind the Russians having the pipelines, so long as we get to keep the Black Sea beaches."

On reflection, it was perhaps just as well that the euro was saved. A complete disintegration of the euro zone, with all the monetary chaos that it would have entailed, might have had some nasty unintended consequences. It was easy to forget, amid the febrile machinations that ousted Messrs. Papandreou and Berlusconi, that even more dramatic events were unfolding on the other side of the Mediterranean.

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Back then, in 2011, there were still those who believed that North Africa and the Middle East were entering a bright new era of democracy. But from the vantage point of 2021, such optimism seems almost incomprehensible.

The events of 2012 shook not just Europe but the whole world. The Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities threw a lit match into the powder keg of the "Arab Spring." Iran counterattacked through its allies in Gaza and Lebanon.

Having failed to veto the Israeli action, the U.S. once again sat in the back seat, offering minimal assistance and trying vainly to keep the Straits of Hormuz open without firing a shot in anger. (When the entire crew of an American battleship was captured and held hostage by Iran's Revolutionary Guards, President Obama's slim chance of re-election evaporated.)

Turkey seized the moment to take the Iranian side, while at the same time repudiating Atatürk's separation of the Turkish state from Islam. Emboldened by election victory, the Muslim Brotherhood seized the reins of power in Egypt, repudiating its country's peace treaty with Israel. The king of Jordan had little option but to follow suit. The Saudis seethed but could hardly be seen to back Israel, devoutly though they wished to avoid a nuclear Iran.

Israel was entirely isolated. The U.S. was otherwise engaged as President Mitt Romney focused on his Bain Capital-style "restructuring" of the federal government's balance sheet.

It was in the nick of time that the United States of Europe intervened to prevent the scenario that Germans in particular dreaded: a desperate Israeli resort to nuclear arms. Speaking from the U.S.E. Foreign Ministry's handsome new headquarters in the Ringstrasse, the European President Karl von Habsburg explained on Al Jazeera: "First, we were worried about the effect of another oil price hike on our beloved euro. But above all we were afraid of having radioactive fallout on our favorite resorts."

Looking back on the previous 10 years, Mr. von Habsburg—still known to close associates by his royal title of Archduke Karl of Austria—could justly feel proud. Not only had the euro survived. Somehow, just a century after his grandfather's deposition, the Habsburg Empire had reconstituted itself as the United States of Europe.

Small wonder the British and the Scandinavians preferred to call it the Wholly German Empire. —Mr. Ferguson is a professor of history at Harvard University and the author of "Civilization: The West and the Rest, " published this month by Penguin Press.

edited 23rd Nov '11 9:42:02 AM by secretist

 2 Balmung, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 9:34:10 AM from Omaha, Nebraska Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Cosmic Star Troper
Iran captures said battleships
That is a gross overestimation of Iranian naval capability.
Is that cake frosting?
As much as I am personally in favor of a "United States of Europe"-like structure, 2021 seems way too optimistic to me. Make it 2050. Maybe.

Also, I seriously doubt that Ireland would ever consider reuniting with the United Kingdom. There is way, way too much historical bad blood there for that to be even slightly conceivable.

Really, you could as well make a "Poland will spontaneously unite with Russia" prediction...

edited 23rd Nov '11 9:39:15 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 4 wuggles, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 9:40:48 AM from Miami, FL Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
I don't know, 2021 seems a little bit too early for these predictions. Maybe 2050 or even 2070. I mean, 10 years seems like a long time but in historical time it's not that long.
 5 secretist, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 9:43:03 AM from Ame no Kisaki
He seems to assume alot of drastic things will happen in the world that will dwarf the USE unification as well.
scratching at .8, just hopin'
[up] This. These predictions are fantasies.
Egypt reverses its peace policy with Egypt

edited 23rd Nov '11 10:19:51 AM by RadicalTaoist

 7 Meeble, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 10:24:26 AM from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
Yeah, this seems more fan fiction than anything solid.
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 8 pagad, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 10:32:41 AM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
Ireland and the United Kingdom form the Reunited Kingdom

edited 23rd Nov '11 10:36:11 AM by pagad

Many of the details are quite silly, but I don't think that the USE itself is that implausible.

As much as I am personally in favor of a "United States of Europe"-like structure, 2021 seems way too optimistic to me. Make it 2050. Maybe.

On the other hand, it's easy to forget, that historical events can happen overnight. After all, there were people in the 80's who were still talking about the collapse of the Soviet Union as something that might gradually happen over the next several decades.

I think, it's mostly depending on whether the USE be brought forth by a democratic referendum, that would indeed take generations, before enough people would actually like that idea, or by a roomful of politicians agreeing to do the logical thing with a coup-like unpopular move.

That already happened in the formation of the European Coal and Steel Community itself, that was made in a time when the average european nations, especially the French and German citizens, still saw each other as "the enemy", but something needed to be done with Germany, so the politicians had to go against the popular opinion, and hope that everyone will just suck it up.

 10 Mandemo, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 10:56:41 AM from your moon, mining helium Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Average moon dude
Sounds more like a fanfic setting than reality. I give it him, he has some good points(Norse League, for example), but I fai lto see why would these three new states stay out of EU. All these are hell-bend(apart from Norway) on building on EU. I could rather see these as members of EU.

Also, yeah, unless political coup happens USE(we need better name, Confederate States of Europe, CSE sounds better to me) is no way posibble before atleast 2050. People are simply not in correct midn set to be ready for it, not with this debt crisis on and it will remain on memories for a logn time.
[up]The current EU is already a "confederation" in most aspects, so that name would imply a step backwards.

European Federation would make more sense.

Or for stylistic appeal value, there is also the option of "Europe".

edited 23rd Nov '11 11:12:13 AM by Ever9

 12 secretist, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 11:16:20 AM from Ame no Kisaki
Weird, that's there's no mention of the other EU in the article.

Side Note:What are the chances of Belgium breaking up into Flanders and Wallochia?

Belgium does have specific Flemish, French, and German political parties. Belgium parties

edited 23rd Nov '11 11:22:13 AM by secretist

 13 Inhopelessguy, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 11:51:43 AM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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Cameron is in his fourth term

That's highly impossible. No party has survived more than three terms in office, and with the amount of public hatred towards the current coalition today, they have a slim chance of winning a second, but very slim.

In any case, Britain would not leave the EU by 2021. And some of these predictions seem a little far-fetched. I agree, it is more fanfic than a political prediction.

Why not a mention of Scotland seceding? That appears to be a lot more plausible than a USE.

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Decemberist
Secretist, for Belgium to break up, they have to reserve the treaty of London (1836)
Dutch Lesbian
 15 secretist, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 11:57:09 AM from Ame no Kisaki
 16 captainbrass 2, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 12:08:10 PM from the United Kingdom
[up]Actually, I think that's 1839. And would they actually have to reverse it? I thought it just guaranteed Belgian independence, rather than stopping it ever not being Belgium. This is perhaps one of the likelier things to happen.

Niall Ferguson predicting things is a bit - "controversial historian is controversial." He has a reputation to live up to, so he's likely to come up with headline-grabbing stuff. One thing is clearly inaccurate though i.e. the Iranians capturing US warships. On the basis of no military experience whatsoever, not even playing Call of Duty, I can tell you that naval strategy does not involve attempting to capture ships. You just sink them.

Ninja'd on Belgian history.

edited 23rd Nov '11 12:08:57 PM by captainbrass2

"Well, it's a lifestyle"
Decemberist
No, the treaty forms the basis of the nation of Belgium according to my Belgian friends.
Dutch Lesbian
 18 Inhopelessguy, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 12:25:04 PM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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according to my Belgian friends

I know you feel like I'm from another country, but that's ridiculous. tongue

No, but seriously, does Belgium have any reason to split up?
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 19 secretist, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 12:27:39 PM from Ame no Kisaki
The flemish movement. Flanders (proposed state) Flemish region Walloon region

  • Parties in favor of Flanders

edited 23rd Nov '11 12:30:51 PM by secretist

Decemberist
I know you feel like I'm from another country, but that's ridiculous.

Huh?

No, but seriously, does Belgium have any reason to split up?

Yes because they haven't a Federal Government for nearly 18 months now.
Dutch Lesbian
 21 secretist, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 12:32:15 PM from Ame no Kisaki
[up][up] This post explains Belgian seperatism! Here and Belgium Partition!
 22 Inhopelessguy, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 12:35:41 PM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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@ Beer. Because you keep separating you and I by Geography, and... never mind.

So, a lot of reasons, I guess. tongue
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Decemberist
Yeah, its like what Czechoslovakia was.
Dutch Lesbian
OK, I've read through the article. Some of this stuff sounds a bit plausible, but other parts, like Cameron being in power for four or more terms and Operation Eagle Claw 2: Electric Boogaloo seem to just be wishful thinking.
Needs Caffeine
Princess Ymir's knightess
"Vienna replaces Brussels as the capital of Europe"

About time! cool

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