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HSQ: N. Carolina Forced Sterilization:

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/07/8640744-victims-speak-out-about-north-carolina-sterilization-program-which-targeted-women-young-girls-and-blacks

So as recently as the 1970s, North Carolina was still forcefully sterilizing young black girls - typically ones that were labeled "promiscuous", i.e. rape victims. This is just one of those moments that you read the first few lines of the article then have to take a step back and go scream into a pillow, or something.
 
 2 Accela, Mon, 7th Nov '11 9:00:46 AM from one of my story's worlds
Nerd Mode Always On
I'm not surprised by this at all. My grandmother was sterilized after giving birth to my father because she had paranoid schizophrenia.

It's horrifying and saddening, but unfortunately, it does not shock me anymore. It's too close to home for me to be astonished by it.
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 3 Pink Heart Chainsaw, Mon, 7th Nov '11 9:03:52 AM from Land of Rape and Honey
PinkChainsaw
I don't understand. Why is it bad to be sterilized? If it'll make less potentially insane children, the better. However I do believe that she should win her case. Even if it goes against my beliefs.

Edit: It seems like I didn't read the story very well. Sorry.

edited 7th Nov '11 11:08:14 AM by PinkHeartChainsaw

"If there is a hole then it's a man's job to thrust into it" - Ryoma from New Getter Robo
^ Why is it bad to be forcibly sterilised?

edited 7th Nov '11 9:10:57 AM by breadloaf

 5 Tzetze, Mon, 7th Nov '11 9:12:19 AM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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Because the people sterilised are arbitrarily chosen as bad people by the people in power but its hardly news that the USA had an eugenics programme till the 1970's
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Is someone seriously asking why it's bad for the government to perform serious, and I believe irreversible, surgery on young girls without their consent or knowledge?
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Wait, you mean they stopped and realized "wait, what the fuck are we doing" forty years before the scandal broke? That is actually great news, IMO.
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 9 Blue Ninja 0, Mon, 7th Nov '11 10:23:34 AM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Plotting my Escape
They only stopped 37-38 years ago. And while some methods of sterlization are reversible, I doubt the ones they used on these girls was. Even so, assuming the youngest victim, all the survivors are at least 46 years old, and apparently all from demographics that suggest they'll be dying younger than the national average. So, I wholeheartedly believe that the current governor will do as much to stonewall this and tie it up in red tape until there is, at best, a handful of token survivors they can pay off with little to no fanfare.
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[up]People are accusing N. Carolina of just that.

And yes, this was removal of ovaries - you don't have babies after that.
 
 11 Morven, Mon, 7th Nov '11 10:31:44 AM from Seattle, WA, USA
Nemesis
The woman described in the article had her fallopian tubes cut and tied, not removal of ovaries. The latter is unlikely because (a) it's a much more serious operation, and (b) it interferes with things like hormone production.
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 12 Tzetze, Mon, 7th Nov '11 10:31:59 AM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
The governor's the one behind this...

And uh, just clarifying here, we all know that North Carolina wasn't the only state with compulsory sterilization laws, right? Virginia didn't have its compulsory sterilization laws overturned until 1974, though apparently they didn't get much used after 1963. And that's just for example; most states had such laws, they just went out of practice sooner.

edited 7th Nov '11 10:32:30 AM by Tzetze

 13 Morven, Mon, 7th Nov '11 10:33:00 AM from Seattle, WA, USA
Nemesis
It says 31 of the US states had some form of program like this, though not all were necessarily that much used.
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 14 Merlo, Mon, 7th Nov '11 10:36:52 AM from the masochist chamber
*hrrrrrk*
I don't understand. Why is it bad to be sterilized? If it'll make less potentially insane children, the better. However I do believe that she should win her case. Even if it goes against my beliefs.

Many of the women who got this treatment WEREN'T insane. Plenty were "white trash", girls with "attitude problems", and there were a couple rape victims.
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 15 Morven, Mon, 7th Nov '11 10:38:20 AM from Seattle, WA, USA
Nemesis
They were treating things as evidence of "mental illness" that we would in no way accept as such.
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Three-Puppet Saluter
  1. 9: Still - they stopped doing it decades before it got into the news. This is not how I normally expect brutal governmental policies to be reversed.
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 17 Spooky Mask, Mon, 7th Nov '11 10:53:18 AM from Corner in round room Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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I'm pretty sure mental illnesses aren't genetic o-o If I'm wrong, correct me tongue

Anyhoo, yeaaaaah, that was pretty bad thing to say.
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 18 Tzetze, Mon, 7th Nov '11 10:56:26 AM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
Many are at least partly hereditary, though it's an active area of research.
 19 Pink Heart Chainsaw, Mon, 7th Nov '11 10:56:44 AM from Land of Rape and Honey
PinkChainsaw
I am against the use of forced sterilization, simply because it can easily be corrupt. What I don't understand is why it's unreasonable to not want rape victims, idiots and the mentally insane to have children.
"If there is a hole then it's a man's job to thrust into it" - Ryoma from New Getter Robo
 20 Tzetze, Mon, 7th Nov '11 11:00:58 AM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
Why would you want to sterilize rape victims?
Three-Puppet Saluter
Because the rape victims can decide that for themselves, thank you very much, and those without the mental capacity to raise children - which, nowadays, doesn't include any mental illnesses I can think of that don't feed into out-and-out abuse - are getting that visit from Social Services anyway?
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 22 Pink Heart Chainsaw, Mon, 7th Nov '11 11:03:39 AM from Land of Rape and Honey
PinkChainsaw

This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
"If there is a hole then it's a man's job to thrust into it" - Ryoma from New Getter Robo
Three-Puppet Saluter
Not your call. Sorry.
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 24 Spooky Mask, Mon, 7th Nov '11 11:06:53 AM from Corner in round room Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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._. Thats... Horrible thing to say. Seriously.
Time to change the style, for now
 25 Pink Heart Chainsaw, Mon, 7th Nov '11 11:15:21 AM from Land of Rape and Honey
PinkChainsaw

This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
"If there is a hole then it's a man's job to thrust into it" - Ryoma from New Getter Robo
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