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Why, how and When did the Simpsons Jump the Shark???:

First, I'm gratified to see that a couple of people here really liked The Principal and the Pauper. I was sure I was the only Simpsons fan in the world who did. (Even my spouse hates that one.) I thought it was absurd-in-the-good-sense, as opposed to Saddlesore Galactica two seasons later, which to me was just absurd in the "What" way. It also gave Agnes Skinner some much-needed depth, and was even heartwarming in that it showed for all that Seymour is a Butt Monkey to much of the town, deep down Springfielders really do love and appreciate him.

As for the main topic question, my take is this: Everything since the commonly (though not universally) acknowledged "golden age" of Seasons 3-8 has been not so much a case of jumping the shark once and for all, but rather two or three cases of Seasonal Rot followed by bounce-backs the following season(s). By "bounce-backs" I don't mean back to "golden age" quality level. That age is gone. Rather, I mean back to a sustained run of episodes that make me laugh, instead of making me reach for the remote. I would place the seasonal rots at Seasons 9-10 (with 11 and 12 being rebounds, though not spectacular ones), Season 13 (with 14 and 15 being much bigger rebounds, indeed the most consistently funny the show's been since the 8th season), Seasons 16-18 (with a moderate rebound since and a somewhat bigger one in 23).

I'm surprised by how early "the Golden Age" is. The Simpson episode I remember from my actual childhood was the Tomacco episode.
 
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I'm old enough to remember when the show was just getting started. Maybe even a few of the Tracey Ullman shorts. And then came all those weird shenanigans Bart got into, like cheating his way into the special school, or pretending to learn karate, or cutting off the town founder's statue's head to impress the gang of bullies... But Homer had his share too, like getting covered in mud and mistaken for Bigfoot. And... There was one where somebody gave a seminar where he told everyone in town to bring out their inner child and act like Bart? And Bart and Lisa were at home with everything stuffed under the carpet? Yeah that was weird, probably the shark-jumping point if there was any, but then I missed how the episode began so I don't know.
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 54 terlwyth, Sun, 16th Sep '12 8:23:39 PM from Berzerkeley, Kalifornien Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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I actually have a graph for this

Season 1: 4 good episodes (Bob gets caught is the best example), 5 mediocre episodes (The family-picnic episode, same thing), 4 poorly aged episodes (the babysitter episode, same thing)

Seasons 2-4: The first rise, where the Big "Golden Age" starts. Episodes such as the substitute teacher voiced by Dustin Hoffman, Milhouse's girlfriend, Bart failing miserably despite his best efforts [Even Nostalgia Critic couldn't say anything about it), Krusty's father, Kamp Krusty were nothing short of iconic, hilarious, and at times quite deep. Season 2 I'd give a slight lead to since it had to deeper episodes.

Seasons 5-6: Most people either loved these or hated them, had the series stopped at 10 I'd consider these the worst for being very nonsensical or a little too political.But because of how most seasons past the 10th turned out, they retroactively count as the Golden Age. That said most were watchable

Seasons 7-8: The absolute pinnacle, with Ned Flanders finally flipping it, the relationship of Bart and Lisa explored in the ice hockey episode, Sideshow Bob's brother, I'm really not sure if there was an episode I could hate during this part. It was like Season 2 except funnier, it was like 5-6 except more intelligent

Season 9: Pretty much like Seasons 7-8 except wackier and at times a little bit too edgy [Sorry that finale with naked Homer and naked Marge left a bad taste in my mouth]

Season 10: The favored love-child of Season 9 and Season 5, usually pretty good stuff such as Bart the Mother, but occasionally it favored gags over depth, but it didn't take the political route like 5 or 6, it took the Saturday morning cartoon route, if Seasons 7-9 assured there'd by no more wackiness after the damage 5-6 did, 10 just resurrected it. The Tokyo episode should've been the penultimate episode and the whole darn series could've ended with the MENSA episode, I mean what better finale than Stephen Hawking pointing out how fruity the place is and punching out Homer?

Seasons 11-12: The worst set of seasons since the very first, which to be fair was sorting itself out. I don't need to say more about this set, Homer even ran over an alligator to match.I pointed out the good episodes, but they were far and few.

Seasons 13-18: Mostly mediocre and corny, the odd seasons kept competing to be worse than the 12th while the evens seemed to be apologizing

Season 19: The first true rebound, the first season with more hits than misses, and frankly the "Kil Gil" and "Mona Leaves'a" episodes were truly something and the finale was really phenomenal

Season 20: The worst season, 19 is a diamond in the rough since the 10th apparently since this is just as wacky as the 11th and 12th, except loaded with outdated references and cornier, no self aware-ness either which helps, it got better once it went HD but that was towards the very end, and the damage was done

Seasons 21-22: The second rebound, and definitely rivals to the "Golden Age", but since the show is so removed at this point, and could be considered a different show, this should be called the "Silver Age" with 19 lumped in and 20 kicked out [for sucking worse than the 12th, ...how did that happen??]

I can't comment on last years or the upcoming one, but I do hope if this isn't the last it's the 25th, because I'm done after the next nosedive.
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Well, you are a Seth Mc Farlane fan. It's easy to see why you would love it. The episode is rather Mc Farlane-esque in feeling.

What a douchebag comment. What does my being a fan of Seth Mac Farlane's shows have to do with anything? Plus, nobody who saw "Holidays of Future Passed" would make such a stupid comment. There's nothing Family Guy-esque (because FG is Seth's ONLY show) about the episode. A lot of fans felt that it was on par with classic episodes. Have you actually read any feedback about the episode? Even the nitpicky losers at No Homers liked it. Google results for the episode's reviews.

No comments on the Unpleasable Fanbase comment.

I'm only speaking the truth. Comic Book Guy didn't come out of nowhere, you know.

edited 17th Sep '12 1:07:36 PM by redhed311

I am a Seth fan (in moderation anyway) but I have to admit the Simpsons seems to take few too many notes off his style of humor these days, ever since Family Guy got popular they did away with the more natural feel and acting of the character and exagerrated the cartooniness completely, with the same sort of deliberately false sitcom-y acting and nods to the audience Seth likes to use. The thing is though, the Simpsons wasn't originally developed that way and it doesn't work with Seth's type of humor, it just feels kind of awkward and forced.

edited 17th Sep '12 1:17:12 PM by Psi001

I'm not denying that the show has taken a few pages from Family Guy in recent seasons. However, I was responding to the person that said that the VERY unFG-like "Holidays of Future Passed" was similar to it in execution. That episode had no Family Guy elements whatsoever and I'm sure it wouldn't have gotten such a positive reception if it had.

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You know, I liked the Mike Scully era. He was much better than the current Al Jean era. Seasons 9 and 10 were good, while not quite as good as the previous eight seasons, I still consider them part of the Golden Age. I liked Seasons 11 and 12, while not as good as the previous ten seasons, they had their moments, although nostalgia filter may be to blame for that. Seasons 13 and 14 were very weak though, although there was a small rebound in Seasons 15 and 16. Season 18 is where I stopped watching Simpsons regularly, and is where I place the moment where The Simpsons jumped the shark.

In my opinion, there was no single moment or episode where The Simpsons jumped the shark, not "The Principal and The Pauper", not the panda rape scene, nor the jockey elves, I actually enjoyed all of those episodes. Nah, jumping the shark was a very gradual process for The Simpsons, and it was very subtle, not becoming too noticeable until Season 18, and Season 20 was nigh unwatchable. I consider the much-maligned Mike Scully era to be pretty good, and I even consider Season 9 and Season 10 to be part of the Golden Age, while Seasons 15, 16, and 17 are part of a Silver Age, with Seasons 11 and 12 being somewhat good, but nowhere near as good as the Golden Age, and Seasons 13 and 14 being weak seasons with a few gems.

Hopefully, with the handful of good episodes in Seasons 23 and the first two episodes of Season 24 being good, I hope that The Simpsons can get back on its feet. I know the Golden Age won't come back, but maybe a new Silver Age or a Bronze Age could be on the table?
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Depends on who are you asking, for me, it never jumped, I still enjoy the series
 60 Napoleon De Cheese, Wed, 10th Oct '12 10:07:27 AM from Valencia, Venezuela
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Edit: Forget it, so not worth it.

edited 10th Oct '12 10:08:18 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

Haters gonna hate, apologists gonna make apologies up.
You know, I liked the Mike Scully era. He was much better than the current Al Jean era. Seasons 9 and 10 were good, while not quite as good as the previous eight seasons, I still consider them part of the Golden Age. I liked Seasons 11 and 12, while not as good as the previous ten seasons, they had their moments, although nostalgia filter may be to blame for that. Seasons 13 and 14 were very weak though, although there was a small rebound in Seasons 15 and 16. Season 18 is where I stopped watching Simpsons regularly, and is where I place the moment where The Simpsons jumped the shark. In my opinion, there was no single moment or episode where The Simpsons jumped the shark, not "The Principal and The Pauper", not the panda rape scene, nor the jockey elves, I actually enjoyed all of those episodes. Nah, jumping the shark was a very gradual process for The Simpsons, and it was very subtle, not becoming too noticeable until Season 18, and Season 20 was nigh unwatchable. I consider the much-maligned Mike Scully era to be pretty good, and I even consider Season 9 and Season 10 to be part of the Golden Age, while Seasons 15, 16, and 17 are part of a Silver Age, with Seasons 11 and 12 being somewhat good, but nowhere near as good as the Golden Age, and Seasons 13 and 14 being weak seasons with a few gems. Hopefully, with the handful of good episodes in Seasons 23 and the first two episodes of Season 24 being good, I hope that The Simpsons can get back on its feet. I know the Golden Age won't come back, but maybe a new Silver Age or a Bronze Age could be on the table?

Bravo. I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree with this entire post.

 62 terlwyth, Wed, 10th Oct '12 3:42:09 PM from Berzerkeley, Kalifornien Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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The thing about the 11th and 12th seasons, ..and I noticed this was a smaller problem with the 5th and 6th seasons was the writing staff changed, ...that causes issues. 10 still had David X Cohen and Appel.

What?? But Season 14 had the Band Camp episode and the Moe/Maggie episode, no no no. 14 was efinitel a better season than the 15th. Every season after 10 sucked, but before the 15th and its wit you could cut with a butterknife. Before that every season got progressively better, the Moe/Maggie episode easily could've brought about the Silver Age.

But the only episode in 15 worth anything was the Pie-Man episode.

It wasn't until the 19th season with Kill Gill and Columbo parodies that the Silver Age arrived.Every season except the 20th has been actually pretty good since. The 21st one still has to be one of my favorites

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