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 1 burnpsy, Fri, 28th Oct '11 11:02:06 AM from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Abstaining
The Eternal Fool
So, I was checking the rankings for Weekly Shonen Jump, and saw that a manga called Nisekoi was starting next week. Upon looking further, I found out that it started as a oneshot by the creator of Double Arts.

You can find the oneshot here.
 2 Demongodofchaos 2, Fri, 28th Oct '11 11:38:39 AM from Reality Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
I am become death, Destroyer of worlds
Meh, It felt more like Ranma one half without the Gender bending, really.

I laughed at the comedic parts, except for the Dynamics between the two main characters, which I never found at all funny, and to the core, felt far to much like Ranma ½, which I don't really like to begin with.

Not all that interesting to me.

edited 28th Oct '11 11:43:42 AM by Demongodofchaos2

I don't fight for good, and I don't fight for evil, I JUST FIGHT!

Conceptually Frameworked
It's not particularly interesting, but it's really nothing like Ranma as far as I can see.

It's just your standard Jerk + Tsundere + Scenario that forces them to be a couple. The only other thing worth mentioning is that their parents are Yakuza/Gang members. You can pretty much guess the whole plot.

I can see why Demongodofchaos2 doesn't like it because it's full of his favorite trope, but it's genuinely pretty bland too.
"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."
 4 burnpsy, Fri, 28th Oct '11 4:57:40 PM from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Abstaining
The Eternal Fool
Yeah, it honestly doesn't look like it can survive as a series unless it's been reworked to be more interesting since the one-shot.
Conceptually Frameworked
Come to think of it...

There were comedic parts? Where?
"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."
 6 Clarste, Fri, 28th Oct '11 5:13:14 PM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
This is really not notable in any way. I don't think it's notably bad either.

 7 Demongodofchaos 2, Fri, 28th Oct '11 5:13:51 PM from Reality Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
I am become death, Destroyer of worlds
The Way the Two different Yakuza Gang leaders interacting and arguing I found hilarious.

edited 28th Oct '11 5:13:59 PM by Demongodofchaos2

I don't fight for good, and I don't fight for evil, I JUST FIGHT!

Ready to rock.
I read this a while back, but I didn't think it was that great. It had an interesting story, but it never stuck with me. That said, I'll be sure to check this out, if only to see how a story like that turns into a full series.
 9 djmaca, Sat, 29th Oct '11 5:16:23 AM from Philippines
Secret Character
New manga to follow, check!
...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
 10 burnpsy, Sun, 6th Nov '11 1:28:41 AM from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Abstaining
The Eternal Fool
First chapter is out.

I like what the writer did with this.

edited 6th Nov '11 1:47:38 AM by burnpsy

 11 djmaca, Sun, 6th Nov '11 2:08:20 AM from Philippines
Secret Character
Thanks for the headsup!
...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
 12 d Roy, Sun, 6th Nov '11 3:13:47 AM Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Read the first chapter.

Nothing particularly attention-grabbing. Rather generically introduced primary main heroine, average, if not bad, art, main character with no particularly redeeming value, not exactly a good way to start the first chapter.

This is my opinion, of course.

 13 djmaca, Sun, 6th Nov '11 3:17:49 AM from Philippines
Secret Character
And they split the heroine's role into two! It would have been good if your promised love is your worst rival ever. And yet they gave the role to someone who seems to be bordering I Want My Beloved to Be Happy type. That would eventually neutralized the promised love status. D:
...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
 14 Ultimately Subjective, Sun, 6th Nov '11 3:29:14 AM from Once, not long ago
Conceptually Frameworked
I'll admit the first chapter was an improvement on the oneshot, with the gangsters who don't do anything having their antics actually feeling like over-the-top comedy now, the male lead actually having a hint of personality and being less of a jerk.

The main problem is that I don't see many unique ways this story can diverge.

Currently we are looking at a love triangle (could turn into a straight up harem), with a childhood promise (could turn out to be a marriage promise depending on what's in the locket) to a person who the protagonist doesn't properly remember (what is this, Love Hina with gangsters?), a perverted male friend, an arranged marriage and of course what is probably a Tsundere. Haven't we covered this all before?

Also, Demongodofchaos if you're reading this regarding the... Stuff we spoke of earlier, yes, it got worse in this version.
"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."
 15 Kayeka, Sun, 6th Nov '11 9:01:53 AM from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
World's biggest wannabe
I don't know. I'm a big sucker for clichéd stories that can be predicted from start to finish, if done well, but I'm not sure if this series will be able to fit the latter part.

Points for completely inverting the entire plot of Romeo&Julliet, though. There's certainly something to the concept that might be entertaining, but it sure as hell needs to be better then this.

edited 6th Nov '11 9:03:57 AM by Kayeka

Yeah, it is kind of stock full of cliches...But I guess what's really important is what's done with it from here. Certainly, the first chapter is better than the oneshot. The execution is what's really important, right?

Well, anyways, I really like Komi Naoshi, so I'm going to give this the benefit of the doubt for at least 5-10 chapters. It's just...It feels like a shame that this is the series that managed to get serialized. Just my opinion, of course, but I don't think this sort of series really brings out the best in Komi Naoshi's work...
 
 17 d Roy, Sun, 6th Nov '11 10:00:25 AM Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Yes, execution is all that matters. Seriously. Just go ask people in Writer's Block.

 18 Clarste, Sun, 6th Nov '11 10:23:47 AM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
Maybe I'm just a sucker for cliches, but I liked this a lot more than the one-shot. Although I really can't take that pendant seriously.

 19 burnpsy, Sun, 6th Nov '11 12:16:28 PM from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Abstaining
The Eternal Fool
I also agree that it's all execution. I couldn't care less about how many cliches were brought up, I liked how it was done.
 20 EHK, Sun, 6th Nov '11 1:19:41 PM from EAST ALWAYS EAST
Happy Christmas!
So I read this just because I saw this thread and I enjoyed Double Arts.

I actually liked the One shot as a One shot. It would have been better if they just got together officially at the end, but it made me laugh a few times and the assault on her compound was cool.

The actually series start I was much less enthused with. It was boring nothing was really surprising and it had a lot of telling us their relationship was getting better but not so much showing that except for how he kept addressing her differently in his internal monologue.

The only thing that really made the first chapter interesting at all was who had the key. That was a nice touch. Unsure if I'm gonna keep reading it though.

edited 7th Nov '11 8:58:57 AM by EHK

A friend is someone you trust to help you move. A best friend is someone you trust to hide the body.
 21 Kayeka, Mon, 7th Nov '11 1:43:12 AM from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
World's biggest wannabe
The only thing that really made the first chapter interesting at all was who had the key.

I agree, but I also consider it a point where the author completely failed the 'execution' part. The way I see it, he should have let the two main characters dance their Takahashi Tango naturally for a few chapters, and then drop the keyholder as a plotbomb about 5-10 chapters in. That would have been so much more interesting. Now it feels like he just piled on a few clichés as fast as possible, making them all feel shallow.
 22 Ultimately Subjective, Mon, 7th Nov '11 1:54:19 AM from Once, not long ago
Conceptually Frameworked
[up] I would have hated that mystery to be left open for ages Love Hina style, and I still feel that they can make the first chapter reveal work out well, but I reluctantly agree that a later reveal might have been smarter.
"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."
 23 djmaca, Mon, 7th Nov '11 6:31:05 AM from Philippines
Secret Character
Yes, execution is all that matters. Seriously. Just go ask people in Writer's Block.

> Smirk

You reading this too dRoy?
...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
So the explanation for the girl athletic ability and loudness is that she is half American?

I'm Asian, but isn't that terribly offensive?
 
 25 djmaca, Mon, 7th Nov '11 7:08:30 AM from Philippines
Secret Character
[up]They didn't say Asians suck at being athletic though.
...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
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