I agree with the Hyphen Migration. It's easier to type, to remember (you can never be sure, specially with the japanese media titles with random punctuation signs), and to manage. Specially when the criterion right now appears to be "use hyphens for works and don't use them for compound words in trope names" Until now, when I found a hyphenated article I made the un-hyphenated one a redirect. It quickly became annoying when I also redirected from Main to another namespace. (Three redirects for just one article).
This is probably not a top priority, right now - but this is something we should try to keep in mind, as we do namespace migrations.
Is there a list of hyphenated titles out there?
Bump, because I have a question: Is In-Universe supposed to be on the hyphen? I was about to move it but in the page history I saw the Fast Eddie had moved it to the hyphenated version a bit more than a year ago.
Moved the hyphenated version to X-Man. And really no answer on ?
edited 28th Nov '12 2:23:50 PM by SeptimusHeap
I am moving Film.Spider-Man Trilogy to Film.Spider Man Trilogy. (I might do Film.The Amazing Spider-Man after this is finished.) Hopefully I can finish off moving the subpages and setting the page types in a minute, but I'd appreciate all help moving wicks. Edit: I finished page immigrations, set the page types and moved all the wicks to subpages and the videogame, but I quickly realised I had no idea what I was dealing with when I started this... I might have to start up a cleanup thread for unhyphening of all Spider-Man related pages.
edited 30th Jan '13 8:14:12 PM by nemui10pm
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We also need to inform the troper base that they should never move a unhyphenated page back onto the hyphenated version. Some of the Spider-Man pages have been moved from an unhyphenated title to hyphenated even after I told them they shouldn't do it. We need to point anyone considering it to this thread. And more people need to learn that the customize title tool covers making titles of pages appear hyphenated even when the URL is not hyphenated.
You should ask for the hyphenated redirects to be locked.
There's a proposal to move all the Kick-Ass related pages to unhyphenated pages. Are there any objections?
Given that I proposed that change, count me in. Also, my troper page has a list of hyphenated titles.
I've recently moved several titles in the Spider-Man franchise to un-hyphenated titles, notably Spider-Girl, Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane, Spider-Man: Friend or Foe and Spider-Man: The Animated Series. As for preventing clueless tropers to move them back, I practice a "burned ground" method by cutlisting every subpages still with an hyphen (those with less that 10 inbounds; it's usually the case for all of them). I guess that should be enough to dissuade anybody. Locking the redirects could be done, but I think it's excessive.
edited 21st Jan '14 1:04:51 PM by StFan
In the worst case, you could ask for a problem redirect to be locked. Also, point people asking for the reasons to this thread. I am also doing my best at de-hyphenating new pages during my daily new page screenings.
One thing I thought of, rather than bother mods with locking pages, is to put a comment directly inside the redirect page for an hyphenated title, pointing to these threads. It'll be visible solely for someone trying to edit the redirect. That should be plenty enough.
That can work as well. I wonder if we should ask for a list of hyphenated titles.
That could be useful at least for the very few tropes remaining that could still have a hyphen; if they have very few wicks they can be hard to spot. Oh yeah, while I'm at it, I'm all for removing hyphens as much as possible, but I want to mention two important exceptions: Ultimate Spider-Man comic book and video game, and the Legion of Super-Heroes animated series respectively — the latter doesn't even have a hyphen in the title). In those two cases, it is better to not rassemble the articles under the un-hyphenated titles; the subpages would be way too clutered, and as mentionned they are quite separate continuities. It's a cheap trick, but it works well.
edited 22nd Jan '14 9:51:49 AM by StFan
We can probably think of de-hyphenating these articles once we have a solid method to deal with subpage collisions. But that will probably take a while.
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R-Type and all its subpages needs doing.
edited 29th Jan '14 3:16:05 PM by TheOneWhoTropes
You know what, I think we should create a Sandbox page to list all titles still hyphenated, on the same model as Work Pages In Main. The list on Septimus Heap's troper page isn't up to date, nor it is alphabetized, and he's the only one who can edit it. This way, each time anyone locate a page with an hyphen but doesn't have the time right now to correct it, it can be added to this list for later treatment. It can even be made into an index just like Work Pages In Main for a quick check if a page is already on the list or not. That would be a useful tool.
I would agree with that.
Done the first draft, by sorting the titles on your page and keeping those that hadn't be moved yet: Sandbox.Hyphenated Titles Anybody seeing a title missing from the list, go ahead and add to it.
I removed the listing from my troper page. I would advise to make that sandbox into a proper Administrivia page, which will need some more discussion.
Yeah, at first I thought the list wouldn't be too big and thus the page not there for long, thus not necessarily needing to be made into administrivia... but then I just added a lot of titles (mostly from Anime and Manga) and it about doubled in size. So it should be worth it to make it an official project. I guess we can make the request on Ask The Tropers for a start.